Why would you want to? When you can just buy a quality turntable paired with a quality cartridge and play a vinyl record....I don't understand all the fuss and major expense to get something (digital) to sound like something else (analog) when that something else (analog/vinyl) can easily be had the conventional way. Don't get me wrong, I love my cd player and transport and my dac, but analog or vinyl it Is not...not even remotely close, and I don't care because I can just throw on a record to get it, much easier imo.
is it possible to make digital audio sound like vintage vinyl
sam here with another question. is it possible to make digital audio sound like vintage vinyl ? i realize i'm gonna get ripped a new a-hole however this is not a joke question. honest answers please i can take the heat
as crazy as it sounds it seams perfectly logical to me. now here is what i did using my 2013 dell pc windows 7 32bit.
using foobar 2000 with the convolver dsp filter i made an impulse file consisting of a 1 second wave file extracted at 32 / 88
from the intro to pink floyds us and them on 1st press vintage vinyl u.k harvest label. just the surface noise before the music
starts and applied the impulse file to a digital album to see if the digital album now sounds like vintage vinyl.here's the results
not sure if i made the digital audio sound worse or really what i achieved ? feedback will help me decide if i should
abandoned this pipe dream and move on. source is digital download flac 16/44 same source for both before/after samples.
audio sample 1: http://pc.cd/GB3
audio sample 2 (impulse applied) http://pc.cd/7eA
audio sample 3: http://pc.cd/7DP7
audio sample 4 (impulse applied) http://pc.cd/bw2
audio sample 5: http://pc.cd/3etrtalK
audio sample 6 (impulse applied) http://pc.cd/lTf7
as crazy as it sounds it seams perfectly logical to me. now here is what i did using my 2013 dell pc windows 7 32bit.
using foobar 2000 with the convolver dsp filter i made an impulse file consisting of a 1 second wave file extracted at 32 / 88
from the intro to pink floyds us and them on 1st press vintage vinyl u.k harvest label. just the surface noise before the music
starts and applied the impulse file to a digital album to see if the digital album now sounds like vintage vinyl.here's the results
not sure if i made the digital audio sound worse or really what i achieved ? feedback will help me decide if i should
abandoned this pipe dream and move on. source is digital download flac 16/44 same source for both before/after samples.
audio sample 1: http://pc.cd/GB3
audio sample 2 (impulse applied) http://pc.cd/7eA
audio sample 3: http://pc.cd/7DP7
audio sample 4 (impulse applied) http://pc.cd/bw2
audio sample 5: http://pc.cd/3etrtalK
audio sample 6 (impulse applied) http://pc.cd/lTf7
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sam here at 58 years old i grew up on vintage vinyl and am very familiar with the sound of vintage vinyl however when i switched to cd in the 90’s i never thought about it until many years later when i heard a vintage vinyl rip of styx the grand illusion on youtube and all the memory’s came back so i grabbed my cd version to compare and sure enough the vintage vinyl version seemed to turn on a switch in my brain that the cd version did not? i now realize what i was experiencing was the hypersonic effect and digital audio with mono depth perception will not create this effect in the brain ? and i believe it was designed that way friends. and new remastered vinyl to my ears does not create the hypersonic effect because of the mono depth perception |
No, you don’t. The s/n, FR, and resolution of a hi-res digital file far exceeds that which can be pressed to LP. No information is "discarded."This statement is problematic. LPs since the 1960s have had bandwidth to 40KHz and beyond- I suspect that is one reason they are still around, as they have the widest bandwidth of any format. Recent advances in pressing technology (mostly at QRP) have allowed the pressings to be considerably lower noise, rivaling Redbook. Most of the surface noise of an LP is produced during pressing; almost none from mastering. Phono sections themselves can be responsible for ticks and pops without the help of the LP; this is due to poor HF overload margins; and that due to the fact that many designers don't take into account the simple fact that cartridges are inductors and tonearm cables have capacitance. If your phono section can't deal with the resulting resonance, it can make ticks and pops independently of the LP surface. Tradeoffs, but not 'far exceeds'... |
I am still going to go with "far exceeds". Note I used hi-res digital as my comparison point:
That RIAA equalization is of course akin to "compression", akin to basic Dolby noise reduction. As has been pointed out, digital copies of vinyl can be nearly indistinguishable if not indistinguishable from the direct vinyl output. I don't think anyone would say vinyl sounds like digital though, not even if the mastering is exactly the same. The big variable is crosstalk, and even that varies considerably from system to system and out of phase crosstalk can do some interesting things acoustically. I personally don't think the OP is on the right track for recreating vinyl from digital. My main impression of the applied filter the op uses is reverb, which will give a more 3 dimensional feel to the music, a not uncommon mixing and mastering technique. However, I don't think the exercise of recreating vinyl from digital is unwarranted. One can consider something like crosstalk a format limitation, but one could also consider it a mathematical function that may be beneficial. |
atmasphere LPs since the 1960s have had bandwidth to 40KHz and beyond- I suspect that is one reason they are still around, as they have the widest bandwidth of any format.Ralph, I’m really surprised to see you say that. There’s no way you can get 40 kHz from analog tape at 0 VU - that’s why FR specs for analog tape are always done well below 0 VU ... usually -10 dB for reel, iirc, and -20 dB for cassette. So if you want the best, pure-analog LP, you have to live with the limitations of tape. Hi-res digital can easily be flat out to 40 kHz and beyond. Recent advances in pressing technology (mostly at QRP) have allowed the pressings to be considerably lower noise, rivaling Redbook. Most of the surface noise of an LP is produced during pressing; almost none from mastering.You’ll get no argument from me there. As I’ve said, I’m an analog guy. Typically, I prefer LP to digital. I think it’s important to keep perspective, and to claim that the resolution or performance limits of LP exceed that of the best digital just isn’t supported by the numbers. On the other hand, many of the potential technical advantages offered by digital far exceed that required by the music. For example, the LP has restricted dynamic range compared to digital, but that’s of no consequence with most recordings. And it’s the same with channel separation and with w&f ... |
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