If Audiophiles care about sound, then why so few threads on acoustics


... and so many on cables?

I am sure there are 10 if not 50 times more posts on cables too?

I would hope that as audiophiles we could agree that acoustics are far more important than cables. A cable may (or should) make a fraction of a db change. Acoustics can make several db changes (or more).  A cable may have some impact on clarity or soundstage (and many can rightfully debate that). Acoustics absolutely will have an impact on soundstage.

So what is the reason? 
  • Is it because acoustics are "hard", i.e. you really have to put some thought into it? 
  • Are acoustics not sexy enough? 
  • Is it because they are often unattractive?
  • Is it because they carry much in the way of bragging rights (at least with many audiophiles)?
  • Do they not provide enough "retail therapy"?
  • Most audiophile really don't understand much about acoustics and can't contribute?
  • The difference between those who understand acoustics and those that don't is substantial for people are fearful of wading into discussions?

Interested in people's thoughts. People will drop thousands on a cable, $10K on an amp, or turntable, but I don't see anywhere near that spend on acoustics in most cases.
heaudio123
"... why so few threads on acoustics?"

Room acoustics can be a fairly complex subject... and imo if we’re talking about home audio, the speaker’s radiation characteristics and setup also come into play - in other words, it’s not just about the room.

" Unless you are sitting nearfield, there can be more energy in reflections than directed.... guess what reflected energy does to timing? "

The first part of that statement I agree with: Typically there is considerably more energy in the reflections than in the direct sound.

The second part implies that reflections ruin the timing cues. Imo this depends on when they arrive, their spectral content, and their arrival direction.

Very early reflections (those arriving within about .68 milliseconds of the direct sound) are the most likely to affect imaging precision, but they can also affect clarity. These are more likely to be loudspeaker diffraction and/or reflection artifacts than room artifacts.

Again with imaging and clarity in mind, note that Linkwitz recommends avoiding room reflections within 6 milliseconds of the direct sound, while Geddes recommends avoiding room reflections within 10 milliseconds of the direct sound. According to Geddes and Griesinger, early reflections in the vertical plane are more benign than those in the horizontal plane.

So assuming room size and/or speaker characteristics and placement do not prevent early reflections, what should we do about them? Ignore them, absorb them, diffuse them, or reflect them away from the listening area? I’m not sure there is a "one size fits all" answer.

Incidentally the above implies that RT60 falls short as a metric of room acoustics, as (for starters) it tells us nothing about what’s happening in those first several milliseconds.

Duke
HI,
Thank you @geoffkait, I can borrow a SPL meter to start with from one of the treated stores. Findings to follow.
Audiokinesis
Room acoustics can be a fairly complex subject... and imo if we’re talking about home audio, the speaker’s radiation characteristics and setup also come into play - in other words, it’s not just about the room.

" Unless you are sitting nearfield, there can be more energy in reflections than directed.... guess what reflected energy does to timing? "

The first part of that statement I agree with: Typically there is considerably more energy in the reflections than in the direct sound.

>>>>The sound pressure peaks in room corners and other oft unpredictable locations in the room - including the 3D space of the room - interfere with the primary signals from the speakers. How much do they interfere you might ask. Well, at normal listening volume the sound pressure peaks in room corners can be as much as 6-9dB above the average SPL in the room. That’s 2 to 3 times the average loudness! The comb filter effect of multiple sources of sound pressure in the room kill any chance you have of receiving a pure signal at the listening position. To make things more confusing the peaks might not be exactly in the room corner, it might be a foot or two from the corner. That’s why a SPL meter is valuable. Tube traps are sometimes put in the wrong place for that reason.