I notice a lot of anti-cable youtube/websites tend to gravitate toward Belden cables. Are they all being paid by Belden?
A challenge to the "measurement" camp
I’ve watched some of his video and I actually agree on some of what he said,
but he seems too confident on his insistence on measurement. For those
who expound on the merits of blind test and measurement, why not turn
the table upside down?
Why not do a blind test of measurement? That is I will supply all the measurement
you want, can you tell me which is a better product?
For example, if I have a set of cable, and a set of measurement for each
individual cable, can you tell me which is the best cable based on measurement
alone? I will supply all the measurement you want.
After all, that is what you’re after right? Objective result and not subjective
listening test.
Fast forward to 8:15 mark where he keeps ranting about listening test
without measurement.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=katmUM-Xelw
By the way, is he getting paid by Belden? Because he keeps talking about it
and how well it measures. I've had some BlueJean cables and they can easily
bettered by some decent cables.
but he seems too confident on his insistence on measurement. For those
who expound on the merits of blind test and measurement, why not turn
the table upside down?
Why not do a blind test of measurement? That is I will supply all the measurement
you want, can you tell me which is a better product?
For example, if I have a set of cable, and a set of measurement for each
individual cable, can you tell me which is the best cable based on measurement
alone? I will supply all the measurement you want.
After all, that is what you’re after right? Objective result and not subjective
listening test.
Fast forward to 8:15 mark where he keeps ranting about listening test
without measurement.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=katmUM-Xelw
By the way, is he getting paid by Belden? Because he keeps talking about it
and how well it measures. I've had some BlueJean cables and they can easily
bettered by some decent cables.
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I believe almost all of it was written in 1995, except a follow up from 1996 about LRC measurements, and a very short more recent preface. I believe the only 2008 part is the first photo, and then a reference later that the photo was to prove EMI rejection of a cable ... that should have been pretty obvious. There is a real disconnect between what was measured and the conclusions that were arrived at, and even the claim w.r.t the inductance/capacitance accuracies (and knowing the meter and test processes) show a lack of understand of the underlying measurements. Speaker cables are the low hanging fruit in audio w.r.t. correlating measurements to potential audio effects and even then it becomes difficult without making conclusions well supported by data. Interconnects gets much harder. |
geoffkait23,281 posts07-06-2020 3:47pm1905 if memory isn’t shot. 😳 Ok Ok, I give in, WHO is SMARTEST of them all...Please let me know where to look. I,I,I need to know...I need, someone, blubber, blubber, blubber, bo ho bo ho bo ho..... No Manson quotes, and NO YOKO ONO........ Ok... NONE.... |
For example, if I have a set of cable, and a set of measurement for each You give some measurements and I decide which is best? Go ahead give me some measurements on two different cables and I'll pick the best. Not really an objective test, it's not really a test at all but sure, what do I win? |
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