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A challenge to the "measurement" camp

I’ve watched some of his video and I actually agree on some of what he said,
but he seems too confident on his insistence on measurement. For those
who expound on the merits of blind test and measurement, why not turn
the table upside down?

Why not do a blind test of measurement? That is I will supply all the measurement
you want, can you tell me which is a better product?

For example, if I have a set of cable, and a set of measurement for each
individual cable, can you tell me which is the best cable based on measurement
alone? I will supply all the measurement you want.
After all, that is what you’re after right? Objective result and not subjective
listening test.

Fast forward to 8:15 mark where he keeps ranting about listening test
without measurement.  
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=katmUM-Xelw

By the way, is he getting paid by Belden?  Because he keeps talking about it
and how well it measures.  I've had some BlueJean cables and they can easily
bettered by some decent cables.  
andy2
glupson
7,842 posts
 
"...you probably just had dirty contacts or a loose connection..."

I have wondered which one makes more sense. Connecting a cable (both, device and cable, connections reasonably new/clean) and never touching it again, or disconnecting from time to time, whatever that time is, and cleaning the contact surfaces, whatever the cleaning method would be (except Total Contact liquid).

Assuming that surfaces are clean first time connected, how important, if at all, is the interplay of different metals over time?

speedbump6
760 posts
 
Robert, I’ve done a number of listening tests myself, and the difference in some cases was indeed not noticeable, while in some cases it was very noticeable. I know enough about how to remove non relevant variables, and create a pure test while changing only one component , or cable. I know what I’ve heard and I know and believe that others have heard this for themselves. I know you can’t say every cable, or with every domination of components, as each components affects each other differently. There is no doubt in my mind that there are audible and noticeable differences. It’s not poor connections, etc. 
andy2 OP
1,588 posts
 
The impedance frequency plot as requested by djones51, will reveal the critical composite of this data ...
I am pretty sure he has no clue lols.  This is too funny.  Like the three stooges.  

djones51
4,947 posts
 
Where's the measurements? You said you would provide them, how about it, you can show everyone I have no clue. 
roberttdid
534 posts
 
The joke is on you. You act with a maturity of a child. "lols" ... what are you 12? Grow up.

andy2 OP1,195 posts07-08-2020 6:59pm
The impedance frequency plot as requested by djones51, will reveal the critical composite of this data ...
I am pretty sure he has no clue lols. This is too funny. Like the three stooges.  

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