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A challenge to the "measurement" camp

I’ve watched some of his video and I actually agree on some of what he said,
but he seems too confident on his insistence on measurement. For those
who expound on the merits of blind test and measurement, why not turn
the table upside down?

Why not do a blind test of measurement? That is I will supply all the measurement
you want, can you tell me which is a better product?

For example, if I have a set of cable, and a set of measurement for each
individual cable, can you tell me which is the best cable based on measurement
alone? I will supply all the measurement you want.
After all, that is what you’re after right? Objective result and not subjective
listening test.

Fast forward to 8:15 mark where he keeps ranting about listening test
without measurement.  
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=katmUM-Xelw

By the way, is he getting paid by Belden?  Because he keeps talking about it
and how well it measures.  I've had some BlueJean cables and they can easily
bettered by some decent cables.  
andy2
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thyname
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LOL!! The hyenas are circling. Or is it 🐖 🐷 pigs?
roberttdid
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No, fisherman who are just letting out some line to give you hope, but mainly we are just letting you two "run at the mouth". It is rather funny that you two think people will look "highly" on you two for your childish behavior.
djones51
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Pigs are very intelligent animals. I grew up on a farm raising pigs so you're not really insulting me. 
djones51
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thyname , a serious question have you ever questioned any of these audiophile components like USB reclockers, audiophile ethernet switches, 4 and 5 figure cables ? Anything? 
andy2 OP
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For those interested, here's the article from PassLabs talking about feedback vs no feedback.  Forward to Figure 11.  It shows feedback reduces the overall distortion but has more higher order distortion which the ears are sensitive to.  This is another example in which something measures well but it creates higher order affect which can be difficult to quantify and not always obvious in real life.  

http://www.firstwatt.com/pdf/art_dist_fdbk.pdf
Negative feedback can reduce the total quantity of distortion, but it adds new components on its own, and tempts the designer to use more cascaded gain stages in search of better numbers, accompanied by greater feedback frequency stability issues.
The resulting complexity creates distortion which is unlike the simple harmonics associated with musical instruments, and we see that these complex waves can gather to create the occasional tsunami of distortion, peaking at values far above those imagined by the distortion specifications.

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