Jazz for aficionados

Frogman, I made one sentence about you " I understand Frogman how you feel when I relate in detail of seeing John Coltrane and crew on stage playing "My Favorite Things", and you add all that other stuff, but it's all true. I consider you to be a "hot house plant" you live in New York but you never write about life in New York.

How did Schubert get into this conversation? I consider you a "politician" Frogman because you always have to drag someone else into any discussion you bring up about me. If someone brand new that's never posted on this thread makes a negative remark towards what I've written, you always chime in to support them, you can't get any more political than that. Am I "mean spirited"? How many more of your attributes can you assign to me? Although I always try to stay close to a pile of the red bricks that are so abundant here in St. Louis, just in case I need to chunk a few if attacked, that's called "self defense".

Even when you talk about the music it's always something technical that relates to what musicians learn in school. I've had many musician friends and they never talked music, although they made music. It's the essence of the song and the music that you never discuss, that's an indication of the fact that you have never experienced life from that point of view. It's good to be a "hot house plant" and to be shielded from the elements.

 

We all wish you well .  

0-10 I imagine I have known more classical musicians than you have Jazz musicians , most world class .

None of them were what frogman is, a walking encyclopedia of both genres and no doubt others as well . You can not become that as an act of ego.Love and extreme work at what you do and are is the only route .

He knows that because music is an instinct it would be foolish to tell anyone how they should react as I do with rock @ roll .


He is the surgeon and the rest of us are either listeners , LPN’s or like me, patients .A surgeon seldom tells the patient a story about where he lives or more than an outline about the operation .
In the 5 years or so I have been on here I an as amazed that a musician of his caliber bothers with us as I was the first time he replied to me !


We are very fortunate and blessed by his presence . Period .

Schubert, while what you say is partially true, you are speaking for yourself; I don't know A-Flat from B-Flat, nor do I want to know, that fact rankled Frogman, and it may rankle some others as well; so be it.

I stated who I am and how I feel about jazz at the beginning of this thread and I haven't changed one iota. Like it or not, my presence is the "life" blood of this thread; even the mighty Frogman is lost without it. Have you ever noticed what happens when I stay away?

Sometime ago, our relationship (Frogman and I) took a wrong turn and it's been turning in that same direction every since. A perfect example of Frogman consistently agreeing with anyone on anything when their view is opposite mine occurred just recently;

Frogman's comment

Interesting topic and interesting comments. Tempo IS a major element in the success of an interpretation; and regardless of genre. I had the same reaction as Pryso to one of the recently posted “Lazy Afternoon” clips. I then posted one that I felt was “a lazier Lazy Afternoon” to make the point.

No matter what anyone states that's contrary to my stance, Frogman emphasizes it; that can hardly be honest, because even if the position was reversed, Frogman would still take the opposing position to mine. Pryso stated that "Sonny Clark's" tempo was too fast, and another tempo was too slow, since in both cases it was in opposition to my opinion, Frogman agreed wholeheartedly; that's not honest but political; the same as people consistently taking positions on "Politicians"; no matter how stupid the statement their guy makes, they always agree with him; it's not what is being said, but who is saying it that makes the difference.

When statements are made from the heart, whether I agree or disagree, I "respect" that persons opinion, but as soon as I see a political motivation in regard to an individuals comments, I disregard what they have to say because it's not "honest", and if we can't have "honest" discussions, they become irrelevant.

To the best of my ability, I have "honestly" stated my position.

Very kind of you, Schubert.  I am tempted to say that you give me too much credit, but it is more to the point to say that you don’t give yourself enough credit.  In answer to your question:


From the start I felt that an interesting thread about this great music was a very good resource for the Audiogon community and I felt that there may be value for some to hear a musician’s perspective about it all.  From the start, and putting aside talk of technical matters, the two most important ideas that I hoped the offer of a musician’s perspective might bring to the Aficionado table were:  That the learning process is endless.  There is always much more to learn and I very much include myself in that; I have learned much here in various ways.  Perhaps even more importantly, that true love of the music requires not only respect, but a certain amount of humility.  IOW, love and respect the music and not so much the fact that we love the music.  I could go on, but I think that for anyone that “gets” that message enough has been said.

Regards.