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How to select a good Speaker Cable
Speaker cables do have a significant role in how our system sounds. Different cables sound different.
So which one is the right one for you?
The Speaker Cable is an extension of the Amp. and not an addition to the speaker's load. It shall have a certain resistance (low) not to spoil the Amp's DF figure. As so, it can be calculated and there is a formula to do it.
The higher the Amp's DF, the lower the Speaker Cable's resistance shall be. As today SS power Amp's get DFs of 400 and above (Digital Amps go by thousands) the cable of 10 ft (3m) long, gets as thick as 0 AWG.
I can see your eyebrows elevates, when that thick cable is to be deal with. Most Speaker Cable makers skip it because of that. So most cables on the market (regardless of the look or price) are of 14-12 AWG. Way less that supposed to be.
Worst! no Speaker Cable maker, dealer or seller knows the answer, of what is the correct cable for your system.
So most of us ended up, with a cables too thin for the task.
A conducted test, on this site, about a year ago as well as with some closer friends, shows a significant improvement with a calculated size cable over their previous cable. The results were all positive and preferred the calculated cable.
So, instead of asking: which of two brands, or two prices or two colors of Speaker Cable do I need, you should ask how thick of a Speaker Cable do I need.
I'll be happy to provide you the calculation, for who request it. All you need to provide is:
1). Length (Ft. or meter)
2). The Amp's DF figure.
Thanks
Time to start experimenting. https://www.amazon.com/KnuKonceptz-Kolossus-Kable-Gauge-Copper/dp/B008U38CPE |
Amp with DF of 200 , 8/200 = .04 Ohm 1 ft, 0 awg copper cable has resistance of .0000983 Ohm/ft Total drive resistance. .04 +.0000983 = .0400983 0hm/ft 1 ft ,10 awg copper cable resistance = .000998 Ohm/ft Total drive resistance .04 + .00099= .040998 Ohm/ft Difference between 10 awg and 0 awg is .040998 - .0400983 = .0008997 Ohm/ft For 10 feet of cable + - ( .0008997 * 20 = .017 Ohms) .017 Ohms = insignificant |
Mr. djones51 The AWG STD : https://www.powerstream.com/Wire_Size.htm Shows a ratio of 1:10 between a #10 wire: 0.9989 Ohms / 1000 ft. and a #0 wire: 0.0983 Ohms / 1000 ft. resistance. There is an additional decimal zero there! It makes no matter of how long is a cable, the ratio remains the same. For a 10ft cable, that has two wires: a + and a -, ( = 20ft in total), For a #10 it is 0.9989/1000*2*10 = 0.020 Ohms. For a # 0 it is 0.0983/1000*2*10 = 0.002 Ohms. Same ratio as with 1ft. or 1000 ft or any in between. 10 times lower resistance is significant for a DF of 700: Ro = 8/700 = 0.011 Ohms. Take a #10 cable of 10 ft long: 0.020 + 0.011 (DF) and you get a new DF of only 258! You Just lost 442 or 63%. Just by using a thin cable, you gave up 63% of your investment, as far it regards to the DF quality. about the same in sonic quality too. Those who tried, rather than argue, reported so. Not all DF call for the same #AWG. For a DF of 200, #4 will do. |
Mr. twoleftears
Not all amps and length call for a #0. It may go less, but also more! Your link to Amazon is a good start. Some did it in 2018 and here is what they had reported: 1). Pass Lab 250.5 with Magnepan III's. I replaced DIY 5 foot 16 AWG silver ladder line. Have previously used a variety of commercial Helix design, solid flat wire and braided multi-stranded wires insulated and in multiple sleeves. Alll 12 AWG, 5 to 8 foot length. Costs ranged from $400 to $2,000. I purchased 25 feet of 0 AWG form a supplier on eBay for $45 ($12
shipping) and four brass (supposedly gold plated) battery connectors ($7.49). The results are stunning.
The amount of undistorted energy filling the room, is jaw dropping.
I keep turning up the volume to levels that previously irritated my ears,
and experience no irritation. In the modified lyrics of B.B. King, “The
shrill is gone.” My wife is hearing new detail in cuts she has listened
to many times before. 2). My cables arrived today. They're beasts! Amp: Classe CT-5300 New cable: 0 awg, 2.5 m (I was recommended at 4 awg but was told 0 would
be fine) More detailed, more transparent. Like another layer has been peeled back from what was, in my opinion, an already transparent system. Either way, b4icu said he’d recommend a cable that would give me an
improvement. I tried it, it did. I don’t see the problem. 3). Mr. Wilson, who exchanged a Transparent Audio Laboratory 14 AWG 12 feet long cable, that costs about $250, with a 0 AWG 2.5m long cable: Amp: Emotiva 250W/Ch. Speakers: Vienna Acoustics Beethoven.
"My initial impressions: It’s like having new speakers. The sound is pure and clean. Minute details are suddenly apparent. The range is amazing. Highs, mid-tones and a new bass that I didn’t know my speakers were capable of. I wonder now what I need the new … subwoofer for! It feels that for all these years my speakers were being chocked and suddenly they can breathe and have their full voice. To say I’m happy about my new speaker cables is an understatement. I’m thrilled. Thank you for building these superbly engineered cables to unleash the full potential of my home sound system". 4). It improved the sound quality of my speakers (B&W 802N). Sounds are
clearer and less congested. Continued listening and swapping back and forth
reveals the same result. Others have said the same, including my wife. 5). Below is SAM’s DIY cables sound impression. My room is quite big so I have an issue of insufficient bass. I recently added a pair of Rel 212se to pair with my Wilson Alexia driven by Passlabs 350.8 and I thought that it has made my day. I have top to bottom and the music flowed v nicely with the Kharma Grand Ref speaker cables. The 1st impression upon installation of the DIY cables was wow 😮 it sounded very musical. While the music sounded sweet with Kharma, the DIY cables sounded more realistic. Soundstage was equally wide and the overall music has more drive. Bass notes were drier and has better separation / weight. As lack of good bass was my issue, I was pleasantly surprised. The high extension seems to have lessened and sounded less sparkle, but sufficient and overall adequate. The mid's and vocals seems to have taken to be more backward staging. Therefore the presence of the mid's is where it is weak in. Overall, this set up sings and I feel that the flow of music is more realistic and enjoyable and the Kharma is now in the box. 6). Below is JOHN’s DIY cables sound impression. I have been chasing for a better hifi system all the time. I have gone through numerous changes of preamps, amps, turntables/cartridges, phone amps, CD transports, DAC, interconnect cables and speaker cables over the many years in this hobby. My present amps are Pass Labs 160.8 mono blocks (damping factor 200) driving Magico Q5 speakers with Ansuz Speakz C2 speaker cables. My 1st impression after installing the DIY 4AWG 2 meters length cables was the system sounded very pleasant and musical. Bass response was enhance and tighter and I noticed more excursion on the woofers motion. The soundstage was equally wide but with more body presentation. The high is a notch less which is good as it is less edgy especially on vocal. I am very happy with the new DIY cables that I decided to retired the Ansuz in the box. 7). Below is my DIY cables sound impression. My interest in hifi date back to late 60s with Dual system. Bought JBL4315 speakers and Harman Kardon Citation 16 pre and power in 1970. I still have the Harman Kardon power amp in mint condition. Like John, I have gone through numerous changes in both equipments and cables in my hifi system over the years, trying to chase after that dream system. Now I am using 4 Telos 600 mono blocks bi-amp to the Kharma Exquisite Ref 1 E Signature speakers with 2 pairs of Kharma Enigma Signature Loudspeaker cables for the last 10 years. My 1st impression of the DIY cables which cost less than USD100 was overwhelming. It sounded musical and not bright to the point of edginess especially on female vocal when I play loud to around 90dB region. Soundstage is wide with overall presentation very dynamic and full. Lost a wee notch on the sustain on the treble resulting in quicker decay of the high notes or less sparkle. However with the diamond tweeters of the Kharma, the extension of high is still more than adequate. The best takeaway for me on the DIY cable is no edginess of vocal (hurting my ears) when I play loud. Like my friends, I retired the Kharma cables in the box which I have been using the last 10 years. I may try to parallel the Kharma with the DIY cables after spending some extended time with the DIY cables. All our high-end cables are 2 metres in length with no spec on
the gauge or size of the cables.
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