Cartridge Opinions - Sorry


Yeah, another dumb "what's your opinion on these cartridges" thread. Back in the late 80's we had dealers where you could listen to the stuff.

So anyhow I have a Linn LP12 with Ittok arm and a 30 year old Audioquest B200L cartridge. I'm running it through the phono stage of a Jeff Rowland Coherence One into a Spectral DMA90 through a set of Kef R300's.

I prefer a little more laid back sound (err on the side of forgiving instead of fatiguing) but I like a lot of upper end detail, precise soundstaging, air, etc.

So far I'm considering an Ortofon Quintet S Black, Hana SL or a Benz wood - something at or below the $1k level.

I'd love to hear any opinions, suggestions, and experiences with those cartridges or others in the price range. I could possibly go higher if there is something out there that really shines for less than $1,500.

Thanks.


klooker
@rauliruegas
I was simply defining “optimum” cartridge setup means getting the stylus angles correct. There are many roads on how to get there, I’m still learning how but I listed some methods/tools that I need to further explore as mentioned in my previous post.

When you use a protractor to align your cartridge to the null points, how do you know that at these null points that the stylus is perfectly parallel to the groove and are at the correct angles, given manufacturing inconsistencies?

Also, you’re getting your angles mixed up. 90-92 degrees is measured vertically, while null points (zenith) is measured horizontal. Therefore, once vertical is set up, it should remain the same across the entire record surface.

What do you think the various angles: SRA, VTA, azimuth, zenith, is trying to achieve? Answer: to align the stylus, not the body, not the cantilever, but the stylus. Cartridge “optimization” is simply getting the best stylus to groove angles and VTF.

And no, it isn’t just my experience. I know the problem, but am still learning the solution aka I know what “optimum” is trying to achieve, but I’m still learning how to get there. I first learned the 92 degrees from Michael Fremer (Stereophile), and Jonathan Valin (The Absolute Sound) recently mentioned the 92 degrees in his current review of the DS Audio Master1 cartridge.

I’ve spent the last 4 years doing in-depth audio research to create a maximum price/performance analog+digital chain while minimizing sound quality loss. Many very serious audiophiles often with expensive highly transparent systems maximize their system’s performance including cartridge optimization. Many of these tips I’ve learned on WBF (Whats Best Forum). The more transparent your system, the better you’ll hear the benefits of cartridge optimization.

Because I plan to be switching cartridges, I’m learning how to optimize for myself (as opposed to hiring someone to set it up for you). My strategy to learning cartridge optimization is to first research available setup tools such as protractors, usb microscopes, software, etc. Next is to learn directly from at least 1 seasoned dealer/professional by asking questions and watching them install my cartridge. I will then finalize the tools and methodology. With enough experience of what is optimal, I hope to eventually be able to make the final adjustments by ear.

This 4th post on this subject will likely be the last because of fatigue - I’m quickly losing interest in continuing this tedious topic
@rauliruegasI just found out you have a very highly resolving relatively expensive system that can justify spending $ for optimization.

Get your cartridges optimize- get/hire a knowledgable cartridge optimization professional (maybe a seasoned dealer) to install on your turntable and learn from the experience. Make sure that they’re “optimizing” and not just installing. You’ll hear and appreciate the difference. Your system is much too good to leave performance on the table.

Also at your system’s level, it may be beneficial to track WBF where folks with some of the best systems available focus on performance rather than cost.

92 degrees explained
https://www.analogplanet.com/content/how-use-usb-digital-microscope-set-92-degree-stylus-rake-angle-...
Hm, a turntable manufacturer thinks the arm is more important, a cartridge manufacturer think the cartridge is more important. Never mind that in the latter's explanation, he lists a number of reasons the arm is a lot more important than he suggests!.

Its no secret that Raul prefers digital. Most of the people I know that play vinyl insist that it sounds better than digital. All this says to me is that Raul isn't in this to be informative- he's in it to be right. There is a profound difference.
@kennyc  Its important not to take anything that shows up on internet forums personally- else the fatigue sets in quite quickly and the trolls win.

@atmasphere 
thanks for the advice.  Earlier I thought “atmasphere is lucky to have dodged this exercise”.  
@atmasphere  LOL, you are 100% correct. I too noticed that dear Raul didn't take it upon himself to consult with a tonearm manufacturer or turntable manufacturer....but that would risk him getting an opinion opposite to his!