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USB sucks

USB really isn‘t the right connection between DAC and Server: depending on cables used, you get very different sound quality if the server manages to recognise the DAC at all. Some time ago I replaced my highly tuned Mac Mini (by now-defunct Mach2mini, running Puremusic via USB) with an Innuos Zenith Mk3. For starters I couldn‘t get the DAC (Antelope Zodiac Gold) and server to recognise each other, transmission from the server under USB2.0 wasn‘t possible because the server is Linux based (mind, both alledgedly support the USB2.0 standard) and when I finally got them to talk to each other (by using Artisansilvercables (pure silver) the sound quality was ho-hum. While I understand the conceptual attraction to have the master clock near the converter under asynchronous USB, the connection‘s vagaries (need for exact 90 Ohms impedance, proneness to IFR interference, need to properly shield the 5v power line, short cable runs) makes one wonder, why one wouldn‘t do better to update I2S or S/PDIF or at the higher end use AES/EBU. After more than 20 years of digital playback, the wide variety of outcomes from minor changes seems unacceptable.

Since then and after a lot of playing around I have replaced the silver cables by Uptone USPCB rigid connectors, inserted an Intona Isolator 2.0 and Schiit EITR converting USB to S/PDIF. Connection to the DAC is via Acoustic Revive DSIX powered by a Kingrex LPS.

The amount of back and forth to make all this work is mindboggling, depending on choice of USB cables (with and without separate 5V connection, short, thick and God-knows what else) is hard to believe for something called a standard interface and the differences in sound quality make any review of USB products arbitrary verging on meaningless.

Obviously S/PDIF gives you no native PCM or DSD but, hey, most recordings still are redbook, anyway.
Conversely it is plug and play although quality of the cable still matters but finally it got me the sound quality I was looking for. It may not be the future but nor should USB, given all the shortcomings. Why is the industry promoting a standard that clearly isn‘t fit for purpose?

Finally, I invite the Bits-are-bits naysayers to go on a similar journey, it just might prove to be educational.
antigrunge2
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rixthetrick
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@ antigrunge2 - Thank you, I am actually currently looking into technologies that enhances connections. I do agree that oxidization is certainly an area which needs to be addressed in connections, especially for example copper.
Still, there’s nothing wrong with a good mechanical connection, yes that’s personal opinion.

And more totally off topic -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=7&v=Y2nQ8isf55s&feature=emb_logo

Imagine if it were possible to have a totally solder free set of cables, or crossovers, amplifier etc. Cold welded USB, XLR cables and speaker cables. Okay enough have eluded to my being in a fantasy world, without my providing evidence.

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rixthetrick
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A good friend just purchased an Auralic Aries G1, which Johnny Darko reviews in the link below. It’s connected via USB, the same brand of USB cables that I used to build.

This may be my next purchase actually - yes it’s still got USB, as well as Toslink, Coaxial, and AES/EBU.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=319&v=7bO1RHX3LuQ&feature=emb_logo
lgldsr73
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Yes it does.

- Lyman
herman
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I have a ZEN Mk3 and an Aqua DAC, and the difference between USB cables is significant to say the least.

 I am not questioning what you hear. However, it is almost impossible  to believe that an asynchronous USB DAC can't be designed to be immune from any nastiness coming in on the cable. The technology is too mature to accept that a multi-thousand  $$ DAC can't effectively handle a USB input without expensive cables. 

but in real life buffering creates latency, 
Latency is completely  a non issue in home audio. It matters not if the data stream starts now or a second from now. All that matters is proper timing once it starts. 

a clock is highly susceptible to any noise that is mixed with the signal ( and there is a lot of such noise created by the motherboard, processor, EMI etc), and this is just the beginning.

a cable on the input will not have any effect on any noise generated inside the DAC. Any competent designer can filter out any noise coming in on the cable isolating the rest of the DAC from the noise. The idea that the USB cable can be an effective filter  and the DAC input can't isn't reasonable. 

Again, I don't question what you hear, I question the design of a DAC that is affected by USB cables. 
relaks
63 posts
 
hey grandpa.. check the date on your flip phone, it is 2020
Priceless )))

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