High Performance Audio - The End?


Steve Guttenberg recently posted on his audiophiliac channel what might be an iconoclastic video.

Steve attempts to crystallise the somewhat nebulous feeling that climbing the ladder to the high-end might be a counter productive endeavour. 

This will be seen in many high- end quarters as heretical talk, possibly even blasphemous.
Steve might even risk bring excommunicated. However, there can be no denying that the vast quantity of popular music that we listen to is not particularly well recorded.

Steve's point, and it's one I've seen mentioned many times previously at shows and demos, is that better more revealing systems will often only serve to make most recordings sound worse. 

There is no doubt that this does happen, but the exact point will depend upon the listeners preference. Let's say for example that it might happen a lot earlier for fans of punk, rap, techno and pop.

Does this call into question almost everything we are trying to ultimately attain?

Could this be audio's equivalent of Martin Luther's 1517 posting of The Ninety-Five theses at Wittenberg?

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Can your Audio System be too Transparent?

Steve Guttenberg 19.08.20

https://youtu.be/6-V5Z6vHEbA

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I think we’re all in agreement in here.. Resolution just for resolutions sake isn’t always the ultimate goal. That concept is actually built into my system, it’s why I personally go by the numbers/measurements for DACs, because I want that piece of the chain to be brutally accurate. If I decide that I want to soften some hard edges after the fact, I’d rather do that with speakers or room treatments. 
because I want that piece of the chain to be brutally accurate. If I decide that I want to soften some hard edges after the fact, I’d rather do that with speakers or room treatments.



dougeyjones

I am not sure to understand your point about the dac brutal accuracy measurements...

But the dac was for me the most difficult thing to buy....It is easy to buy very good used vintage amplifier and speakers for peanuts with some patience.... I had....But dacs are relatively contemporary device with great variable qualities and relatively not as well known like other piece of gear....And the scale of price is stunning for a good one....I was lucky to spot one with a total minimalistic design, a NOS one, tda 1543, Starting Point systems, with an internal battery, powered externally with an Ifipower... I paid it peanuts luckily new on Ebay...I would not and could not pay anyway for the engineering continuous research linked to 10,000 dollars dac.....

Many dac has a sound of their own....Generally their sound is dry or harsh for my ears, or clean and accurate for some.... But i prefer a dac that gives to each instrument his tonal timbre, not details, but his natural color....A cello is a cello....I dont want to hear details of cello first, but tonal accuracy of the timbre of the cello first.... For sure details and tonal accuracy are linked but it is not the same thing at all....When details are flowing in waving unity it is tonal accuracy no more details....

I own this S.P.S. dac and his characteristic is that he goes on with any changes in my system without revealing any limitations to me at all....It seems my dac does not exist at all...

The best characteristic for a dac is not existing by itself....i will never upgrade it....Why? i never lack details on any recording at all each times my audio system noise level is decreased, if my audio system is not too much vibrating and resonant, each times my increasing controls of the room gives to my audio system the space where details can be listen to, my dac goes on without showing ANY limitations....My room is not tweaked to compensate for my dac at all like you seems to want to....The many controls in my room are not use to correct my dac...They are use to reveal the potential of my audio system ....

( By the way the first time i listened to this dac i think he was good but lacking in  details. But truly it was my audio system eclectrical and acoustical embeddings that was hiding the details....) :)

Then my dac really does not exist, i dont sense it at all by all means.... :)

I forget it totally....

However he must exist because i hear music.....

It is the best ever for me....

You dont want and you cannot upgrade something that is no more there..... :)
Mahgister, I’m not reading a book every time you reply lol, tl;dr.

Not sure which part of my post was confusing. I’ve been super up front on this board that when it comes to DAC’s, I consider the units with very high SINAD measurements to be technically superior to whatever flavor of the month tech AudioGoners are obsessing over. FOTM right now is old technology (R2R Ladder), which people seem to be choosing because the nature of that technology means that building an r2r ladder network that can resolve greater than 19-21bits of information becomes very cost prohibitive, and so when most models encounter bitrates higher than that, the additional info is truncated. From peoples reviews, that truncation can be graceful and sound pleasing, which is why manufacturers are even bothering to make new DACs with this design.

I’m not interested in using a tech like that for the same reason that I don’t want a tube power amp or preamp. It’s like adding a distortion pedal for a guitar amp, you’re purposefully adding noise. 

Just not my thing.
Ok i understand , you are very clear...

Each ocean own his fishes species....

I promise not to wrote a novel in response next time...

My regards  to your gracious answers...

My best also....
Is English your first language Mahgister? Not giving you a hard time, just curious.