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My venture into the world if demagnitizing vinyl. Your results may vary.

Ok, I have been using my hand held demagnitizer (tape bulk eraser) on these particular versions of records in my collection that have accentuated treble ( The Who- "Who's Next" MCA masterphile, "Tommy", "Sell Out" , Ted Nugent "CSF" and the Dixie Dregs "Industry Standard" and the initial results are in. YES! a resounding yes. Positive. Eye opening or should I say ear opening. At first I was skeptical having heard about it from a Michael Fremer review about 8 years ago. The curiosity finally overwhelmed me. Boy I wish I had known and tried this earlier. The single best tweek I have experienced bar none. After treatment every note was the most profound note ever struck until the next one and the next one with me anxiously waiting for that next note. It was like analog on acid with me hearing a whole new sonic landscape. I can now imagine how it is justified by spending 3 grand on a dedicated device. My procedure is as follows with a Radio Shack bulk eraser. To protect the record I laid it on an album sleeve with another sleeve on top to protect the record to get as close as possible with the unit. I used the unit as I would on a tape deck with being slow and steady. I also did both sides.
  Ok ok I'm being serious now. Back to earth and not the way over the top and dramatic description as the above. I might (BEING THE KEY WORD) might have heard a high frequency mellowing on CSF and the Dixie Dregs. Actually on CSF it was a little more than maybe. I'm a little embarrassed saying that and that leaves me open to ridicule. That perplexes me. I know its far out there in pseudo science land but I think or maybe I thought I heard something subtle. Definitely it's not a slam dunk case. The science states that there is practically nothing on the record that would react to any degree with a demagnitizer. I might try a couple more. I would hope some fellow Audiogoners would have an open mind and see if they have any positive results with the procedure above with some treble accentuated records.
I also have diminished hearing and it was hard to tell.
Oh well it was fun.

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teo_audio
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Elon Musk Tweeted this on august 28th:

“All of physics is either impossible or trivial. It is impossible until you understand it, and then it becomes trivial.” --E Rutherford


So, right now, the demagnetizing is seemingly like it is impossible.

If the mechanism, if there is any..if it is discovered -- then it will become trivial.

At such a point...the wanky out of control dogmatic and linear minded will focus their guns of personal desire and projections..they will find someone else to focus on or punish, for investigating or proposing the impossible.

As the issues are not in science or physics, the issues are in the people who are in it or observing it.

the problem at hand has nothing to do with logic, or the proposal of the idea of scientific investigation.. the problem is all in the area of human faults.

Like Max Planck said: "Science advances -funeral by funeral."

Meaning, when the old guard who refuse to embrace, understand or cognate the new (whether they are dense or whatever the cause)..when they finally die..and are put in the ground -then the world can move forward.

FYI, Both Planck and Rutherford were absolutely fundamental to the science and physics that we understand today. They were well familiar with the insanity of denial in their own areas of research and investigation.

As for this post: Don’t project any of one's self into it, and then put that self made chip on one's shoulder and then wail, scream, and rail against it.

As that would be crazy, wouldn’t it....
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mijostyn
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teo, what can I say. That is a rather long explanation to justify someones perception of sound quality which humans are notoriously poor at doing in this fashion. On the other hand vinyl is in no way shape or form magnetizable so in waving a demagnetizer over it you are subjecting an object that can not possibly be magnetized to an oscillating magnetic field at 60 Hz doing absolutely nothing other than exercising the arm. 
Blueranger, save your demagnetizer for your tape heads and wonder at how your brain can trick you into believing something that can not possibly be true. 
teo_audio
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He’s observing, testing, and attempting to discern.

Which is more than any observer here can say for you.
From another recent post:
People are born into projection. Logic is not a given, it is thing that people have to learn.

Logic is an idea, a conceptual position in a reality built out of emotionally controlled and re-projected bits of deeply colored perception.

All of reality is subjective, objectivity is an idea proposed in the attempt of the mind to find it’s way to proposing logic. To refine and distill analysis.

Objectivity does not exist. It is a conceptual state that is forced, and wholly unnatural. It stands on the shoulders of an entirely subjective edifice and bedrock.

What does that say about science?

It says the same derisive comment (in an unspoken kinder fashion) that Edward Bernays said to all the people that his emotionally oriented methodologies were targeted to bend, which numbered into the eventual billions: "Don’t be Stupid."

As for science and the whole objective vs subjective reality we face. Science says: ’Observation Is King". That everything starts with observation.

Follow the logic of this, does one?

I dearly hope so, as the next step is not ’emotionally comfortable’, for some... in how it proposes the mind may position itself, where...

It does not mean that projection in science can dismiss observation. Nor does it say that illiteracy and lack of intelligence can propose a mental shortcut to dismissal, in the face of a thing the lesser intellect and lesser capacity cannot attempt to understand.

It would be trivial to take his observation and propose a very valid set of points that make it scientifically real.

The causal points and the end results, all explained, in detail, down to their very roots.

The question is, in this case, would the ones who rail against the initial observation and question, do they have the capacity to cognate the complex sum total of the answer set?

The noises they make in the proposal of the observation and question, says, invariably...no.
lewm
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Teo, please reread the OP‘s opening statement and note that he himself is dubious that what he is hearing is an improvement. Meantime, no matter how many ancient philosophers and important scientists waxing philosophical you care to quote, there is such a thing as objective fact. Fact is there are no Ferrous materials in vinyl. Another fact is there are no forces around an LP that could possibly magnetize any Ferrous content of an LP, if there were any. And finally, using a tape head demagnetizer to demagnetize an LP is a tricky business. Others have shown in the past how improper use of a demagnetizer can actually magnetize an object. We don’t know that the OP was using his demagnetizer in such a fashion as to achieve demagnetization. Therefore, we don’t know that any effect he thinks he hears is due to demagnetizing anything. Fremer quoted Furutech’s claim that there is iron in the black pigment in LPs. Furutech has measured a little more than 600 nanoteslas of magnetism in an LP and a little less than 600 nT after use of their demagnetizer. That’s a very low magnetic field before you demagnetize, and a very slightly even lower magnetic field after demagnetizing. Whether that can make an audible difference is up to the observer to decide. And finally, why is it that folks like you who wish to believe in things that for others defy belief are always so angry about it? 
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millercarbon
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Warning. Do not do this with your record on the TT. You will ruin your cartridge.

Which you would know.... how? Only if you ruined yours, I would say. Otherwise....
Look at my system. Please. https://systems.audiogon.com/systems/8367 There in image #10 you will see an actual Radio Shack Bulk Tape Eraser sitting in its usual spot on top of my modded power conditioner. Bought in 1993 or 4 its been plugged into that outlet for years because from there it reaches almost all the cables and turntable. Its used not only on records before just about every play but over the cables usually at least once per night and always before playing any of my White Hot Stampers. 

Its kind of interesting this post of yours because these Radio Shack units are kind of hard to find these days. When I looked last year there was only one for sale on the web, it was $90 (they were only $20 back in the day) and I haven't seen one since. Do you actually have one? 

Anyway they do work. Mine is used on almost every side, and right there on the platter, and my Koetsu hasn't been the least bit "ruined" by it. Oh well. 

One more thing- were you writing to inform, or entertain? Its hard to tell if your post is a joke or serious. If serious you ruined it with the fake ruined cartridge story. If a joke, well comedy is maybe harder than it seems, eh?
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