Conrad Johnson or PrimaLuna

lil sidebar given that this thread asks about cj vs pl

but it is interesting miller is so high on the ravens

i think anytime a manufacturer offers free extended in home trials it speaks volumes about the overarching confidence they have in their product vs the competition

i have been a die hard audio research and vac fan for many years, recently tried and like a primaluna... really good for the money in many important ways

but now may need to try a raven

miller - you have a raven in house? or are you thinking about getting one for your teks? my only concern trying a raven is my harbeths and proacs are a notch less sensitive than your teks -- wonder about db headroom

I would consider a new Rogue Audio Magnum 3 integrated amp also. Made here in the US and great customer service. It has 100w per channel, a phono section and a headphone jack. Very easy to bias the tubes and it comes in 2 finishes. If interested call Johnny R at Audio Connection he is very knowledgeable.

@millercarbon

https://www.ravenaudio.com/product/nighthawk-mk3-tube-amplifier/No contest.

No contest based on what?  All of your listening experiences comparing the CJ, PL, and Raven? Barking out a brand with no context or basis is beyond unuseful.

 "my harbeths and proacs are a notch less sensitive than your teks -- wonder about db headroom"

If they work fine with the PL, likely fine with Raven.

"i have been a die hard audio research and vac fan for many years, recently tried and like a primaluna... really good for the money in many important ways"

jjss49-

I caught this line from a review on the Reflection, which was disappointing to find out:
 "The amp runs in self-bias, or cathode bias, which is my preference for consumer electronics.":
https://www.dagogo.com/raven-audio-reflection-integrated-amplifier-review/
Their autobias isn't the latest that VAC/PL use.
https://www.primaluna-usa.com/adaptive-autobias

In the grand scheme of things, it's something that's not going to be heard from your speakers. But if we're comparing parts.....

Other than having a more diverse lineup, I don't see much difference from other small  USA companies.
https://rogershighfidelity.com/ 

I wouldn't be surprised if Raven is really a Korean company that just ships their stuff here to be assembled. Who cares...if it sounds great, which I don't doubt, it doesn't matter.

I owned the PL Dialogue Premium prior to the Rogue. The PL was serviced 3 times in 4 years and the problem was with the auto bias section. Each time a power tube lit up and blew the board. Rogue uses individual fuses for each power tube in case this happens which prevents any damage to the amp. 
Auto bias also introduces an additional circuit which may affect the sound quality.  I prefer to bias the amp myself which takes just a few minutes plus it guarantees all the tubes are set the same. Sound wise, the Rogue is also more detailed and cleaner sounding but that’s my opinion.