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Downside to "revealing" system?

Greetings, hope all are well. Since upgrading my rig over the years( ML 11a, REL s812s, VPI Prime Sig. Soundsmith The Voice cart, Pass xp25 phono, and Luxman L509X with Cardas cables and various powercords, plus S/R room treatments which have been unbelievable) many beloved older pressings have revealed themselves to be just about unlistenable. I'm speaking of, for example, 70s Reprise Neil Young, Randy Newman, Joni etc. Pressings are immaculate and cleaned on an Audio Desk cleaner and table is definitely set up properly. Newer " audiophile" pressings sound great. End result is I am listening to more cds since acquiring an Esoteric X01 D-2 which make even old cds sound great. I've always been a vinyl person and have over 4,000 records acquired over 30 years. I am thinking of getting a new cart next year and have heard great things about the Dyna XV-1s. ( input appreciated) Anyway, forgive the long post, I am actually grateful for a diversion from current events, stay well friends!
joeyfed55
erik_squires
16,377 posts
 
So one thing that seems to always shock audiophiles:

Studio equipment and trends has changed a great deal over time.

The mixing/mastering engineer in 1970s was not using the same benchmark systems as they are in 2020's. Even if they were, I guarantee that they are different than what you  own.  There is no perfect, reference system.  The best we can do ( IMVHO ) is to shoot for neutral, which sounds good with most music, and adjust with tone controls as the need arises.

Alternatively, we can buy a separate system for each record.

The choice is yours.


I will say that too many audiophiles attempt "revealing" when it's really "more treble" which is fine, as a personal preference, but you will hit that too much treble more often than a more neutral system.

In either case, good tone controls, and those in the Luxman's are excellent, are your friend.  Either engage them judiciously or stop listening to recordings you no longer like to listen to. 
mrdecibel
3,065 posts
 
I know many listeners who own 2 tonearms / cartridges, on a single table, or have 2 separate table / arm / cartridge players, for the exact reason you speak about. And as mentioned above, you have 2 phono stages.
newbee
4,775 posts
 
Erik, The only problem with your solution is that the range of the equalizers/tone controls may not really affect the 'offending' frequencies. For example upper mid range brightness, a common illness of CD's and a lot of electronics are not really addressed by HF tone controls. What one needs is a tone for the mid range control as well as turn overs for cut off of the effect of bass and treble. Not many units have these, but they have been around for a long time, if fact back into the 70's.  Perhaps a lot of what we hear now is an old(er) problem with new ears and new equipment. 
erik_squires
16,377 posts
 
Erik, The only problem with your solution is that the range of the equalizers/tone controls may not really affect the 'offending' frequencies.

I'd like to know what reasonable solution you are suggesting is better, more cost effective or more realistic.

Don't let "perfect" get in the way of "very good."

Best,

E
newbee
4,775 posts
 
E, FWIW on the cheap but effective side that little Schitt Loki can work well for simple tone control of bass, lower mid range, upper mid range and treble. It ain't sophisticated but it works. I use one in a headphone system (i.e. headphones, source and amp).  Many years  ago I had a  Perreaux  with bass/mid-range/highs with filters. Still comes up on EBay now and then. Used it with my old  system 'til I figured out how to really set one up properly. 
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