Do you use a Subwoofer when listening to stereo?


I thought using a 12 inch b&w asw 2000 sub would b good to allow my b&w 804 d3’s to better handle freq above 80 hz (ie. benefit from sharing burden).  I am not sure this is prudent as my well powered 804s can probably handle those lower frequencies just fine, and may make them sound better vs cutting them off from flowing thru the 804s.
My Stereo listening is done by streaming thru a nucleus connected via usb to a chord Hugo tt2 and then to a marantz 5014 via coaxial, then to a McIntosh mc255 and then off to speakers referred to above

 Does excluding sub from stereo make sense?
emergingsoul
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thanks so much. awesome

so maybe setting up the speaker settings to large (rather than small) makes more sense so that it completely opens up the main speakers. Why bother restricting bass on mains, and then set the subwoofer separately via settings on back of cabinet..

The sub array setup may have merit in a larger room. My room is 12 x 16 with 7 1/2 ceilings. The extremely large asw 2000 from b&w with 12 inch driver set lower would seem more than adequate. I do need acoustic panels."

Hello emergingsoul,

     The choice of whether to operate one's main  L+R speakers full range. or restrict their low frequency output, should be based on the main speaker's efficiency, their rated bass extension, the specs of the amp driving them, whether a sub or subs are going to be employed and personal preferences.  
    In your case, for example, I believe your speakers are sufficiently efficient, have a sufficiently deep rated bass extension, your amp has sufficient power and current capacity and your going to employ at least 1 sub.  This means everything's a go for operating your main speakers full range and it just will depend on your personal preference. 
     I suggest you change your main speakers setting to large (rather than small), optimally position your sub in your room using the sub crawl method and setting your sub's volume and crossover frequency controls as low as possible with the bass still sounding very good to you.
      Then it's up to you concerning which system set up and configuration overall system sound quality you prefer.

Best wishes,
  Tim
@emergingsoul --

Do you use a Subwoofer when listening to stereo?

I do, very successfully, and god (or, that is: the DBA-inquisition) forbid only two of them. They're tapped horns taking up 20 cubic feet per cab, and tuned just below ~25Hz. Low-passed @83Hz, and symmetrically set up in relation to the main speakers. Smooth, enveloping and totally effortless bass.


I really think subs and surround for the home is nothing but a marketing gimmick. just distracting garbage. If I won lotto (gotta play first) and could hire a qualified team to design a system ground up using a stereo pair of speakers and subs maybe, but why not use the subwoofer/s money to get better mains? nah not even if I could do it for free.
If you are using a 2 way crossover rolling the 804s off say at 100Hz 24db/oct several things happen. You will increase the headroom of the satellite system. Essentially, it now has more power to spare.
You will drop the distortion levels of the 804's woofer. Everything else that woofer carries will be much cleaner. This all assumes at least two subwoofers adjusted correctly. Subwoofers set up incorrectly will more than likely make things worse. Unfortunately, in most systems subs are set up by trial and error. Then you have to deal with room acoustics which sub performance is very sensitive to. This is an important reason why multiple subs are required. I and others seem to have landed on 4 subwoofers as optimal. Ideally, you have digital control of crossovers, EQ and time and phase alignment. You measure the sub from several points in the room and overlay the curves. Peaks or troughs present at all locations are due to the subs performance and need to be corrected. Those that vary from one place to another are due to room modes. Correcting these is a waste of power and does not make anything sound better except at one specific point in the room. It will also add distortion due to higher loads on the driver and amplifier. If the bass does not sound good at the listening position you can start EQing the bass to neutralize some of the modes at the listening position.
Without digital bass management setting up the woofer depends on somebodies interpretation of the sound. Then, trial and error adjustments with the crossover and position of the speakers. It really is hit or miss. In many instances subwoofers should be avoided.
I run a pair of subs with nmtched amp and preamp to my main speakers.  It allows me to listen to music I would otherwise avoid, since I have no tone controls  Mainly old LP's.