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How can I establish a reference level?

With now 350+ hours on my new rear end (I hope it is OK to call the new speakers that, given the common use of the expression front end for the source) I am trying to understand gain and how it relates to listening level. The terms reference level, anchor level, gain structure, dB, dBU, crest factor, etc. all form an ill defined blur. My interest is in protecting one of my five senses. No amount of money and equipment swapping will ever reclaim lost hearing! Now with oodles of distortion free headroom I need to be careful.

Specifically -
JBL 4367 - 94 dB, 300W
Benchmark AHB2 in bridged mono 380W
SONY XA5400ES Compact Disc Player

What I find is -24 dB set on the preamp (with 0 dB being no voltage gain or cut with respect to the source signal) is too loud on most recordings - especially Pop and Jazz. On the 1964 SONY Classical recording of Petrushka, Ormandy (SBK 47664) a gain of -24 dB is pretty realistic as it is on many other classical recordings.
Some recordings sound loud no matter what the volume. Take Jimmy Smith with Kenny Burrell (Phono 870267) for example (listening to him now @ -34 dB)
Much of my listening is far-field, though the speakers are only about 6' apart in an open floor plan of about 1200 sq. feet.

The inverse square law relating to how loudness decreases with distance from the source - how is it affected by a stereo pair? Get on axis near-field with the speakers and just try and keep your mouth shut. Awesome!

So I have a new definition of LOUD and I want to be careful and have some consistency.
I feel -24 dB is a good reference level and am wondering how that relates live sound and the recording process.




mikewerner
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millercarbon
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Waste of time. For the simple reason every recording is at a little bit different level. Some a lot different. Some compressed real bad. 

But that's the least of it. You're right, your understanding of these terms is a blur. As in, there is none. Pick one or two. Right now I could write a book trying to address all your misconceptions. A page per word at the very least. Seriously. Baby steps. Take one. Which one do you want to work on first?
roberjerman
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If you start to feel uneasy it's too loud!
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stereo5
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When I read “new rear end”, I thought you were going to say you had a butt lift.😂
troidelover1499
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I agree that a DB meter is the right tool here.
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arion
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Your approach is a complicated way to get to a simple answer and will likely not work out. Assuming your primary concern is protecting your ears, first look at what OSHA has adopted for guidelines.
https://www.osha.gov/pls/oshaweb/owadisp.show_document?p_id=9735&p_table=STANDARDS
They use science and know. Second, you must understand that while you are listening to music there is a fairly constant change in volume. Maybe some extremely compressed metal music has stretches of fairly constant volume? Third, live music can be much louder than what the OSHA guidelines deem acceptable.

Read the OSHA guidelines, buy a dB meter, play a variety of your favorite music and take some notes about the volume levels (-xxdB) that comply. Repeat as needed. Short peaks are not an issue. Measure at your listening position.

Just sounding (being) uncomfortable or sounding irritating doesn't necessarily mean that you are playing your system too loud. Certain types of distortion are very irritating even at low volumes.
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