Millercarbon's Mega Vibration Control Journey


Vibration control is such a huge, and hugely important, topic it deserves a thread of its own. There was a time I thought it nuts to say such a thing. In fact I wrote a letter to the editor excoriating them for wasting my time on the goofy idea that clamping components between shelves could have any effect on sound at all, let alone be worth spending good money on a rack designed to do just that. This was the Michael Green rack, and thanks to my closed mind and dismissive attitude I never did bother to try and find out for myself if there was anything to it.  

Important Lesson Number One: Don't be so quick to dismiss things just because you can't understand how they could work. 

Couple years later unpacking a McCormack DNA1 amp the Owner's Manual says the included spike can be used to improve sound quality. Well now. As crazy as it still sounded this time its Steve McCormack, and he's already given me the spike, so what do I have to lose? Much to my surprise it did indeed improve the sound. Not a lot. But definitely more detail, clarity.  

This is very early 1990's. There is no internet. I know precisely zero audiophiles. Until stumbling upon this one guy at work who says oh yeah and put your CDP on a phone book, and another one on top. Which sounded even crazier but the guy was serious and this being the 90's we all had phone books laying around so I gave it a shot. This time it was only the most barely perceptible improvement, but it was there. If you really listened for it. So not much. Then again, free. Wrapped some fabric around it, ran the CDP like this for quite some time. 

Around this time I'm shopping for components for my new listening room when this guy is more excited about something called Black Diamond Racing Cones than the amp or whatever he was trying to sell me. So I get 3 of these things and they're so much better than the phone book its hard to believe! Well, okay, it was a phone book. Got to compare against something, right? 

These Cones are so good I take them to this Seattle audiophile club and show them around all excited and.... nobody cares. Except this one guy who goes on and on about how he has tried phone books, tennis balls, racquet balls, styrofoam, cones, spikes, on and on everything under the sun, he's tried it all there's just no way he's gonna be impressed- he makes this very clear to me- but okay you're the new guy let me borrow em why not. But they're not gonna work. No way. 

Next day this guy calls me up gushing going on and on how great these are what are they again where did you find em how many can I get? I actually wind up becoming the Washington State distributor for Black Diamond Racing selling Cones, Shelf, all of it. This guy winds up like me, pretty much everything on BDR.  https://systems.audiogon.com/systems/8367  

A lot of what I knew about vibration control back then was based on my own experience with BDR, and learning from owner DJ Casser. This resulted in what became my guiding principles of vibration control: Mass, Stiffness, and Damping.
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@mahgister   

For vibrations isolation and controls, and for resonance controls( yes they are 2 different things) ANY system at ANY price will benefit greatly ... Saying otherwise has only one explanation, you never experiment or you never listen to the results.....


I admit, I've never tried putting an isolation platform or Rollerblocks under my Sonos1 speaker in the kitchen or my iPhone.  I will try and report back on the results.


Arguing with good faith exclude easy sarcasm...

I look for truth from simple experiments, keep the rest....

My best to you....
Shunyata, In-Akustic, ARTISTCLONER, Audioquest, Nordost to name a few are manufacturers of cable risers who have also embraced isolation techniques to their products.

MC we discussed this in conversation, and off you went to investigate this yourself. Apparently you experimented with this and came to your own conclusions?

(Hello Mahgister)
Yes indeed. Funny you should ask.
I look for truth from simple experiments

Exactly. In a way, what this whole thread is about: trying things out.

Rick checked in at an opportune moment because this is right about the point where he comes in.

Up to this point I was pretty well convinced the key to vibration control was basically to clamp or fix things in place so they can’t move. When done with the right materials this definitely improves a lot of things. But as my system kept getting better and better there was this sense of a sort of hardness creeping in. Not an edge really just certain sounds were harder on the ears than it seemed they should be.

I now suspect this was due to ringing. But we’re getting ahead of ourselves here.

Rick it turns out is big on vibration control, has been working on this a long time, and is a big proponent of springs. Seemed like a waste but he was pleasant enough, and even better had a good argument: No matter what you do (the old-school cones/spikes way) vibrations are going to get into the floor, rack, shelf, etc. and then the whole speaker/floor/room system is vibrating. Well then if that is the case (which it is) then a lot of that energy is coming right back into the speaker, and its vibrating, only now not the way we want but in sympathy with the floor.

Worse, the same thing is feeding up into my precious turntable. Everything else too of course. So Rick is telling me springs under the speakers will be huge. First because the speakers themselves will sound better, and also because less vibration going into the floor means less into the rest of the system.

MC, I have an issue that is going to be rising, same thing.. Leg on the speakers! I have 5 pieces that are on Queen Ann legs, there will be 9 total. 4 leg per. The cabinets vary from, hardwood, to MDF and HDF.

I need to figure some type of magic for the vibration issues in the hardwood legs. I’m thinking drilling and filling with lead, and or silicone?
problem is if I fill with silicone and don’t like it... Hard to get back out..

Lead shot? I have a shot maker. Been 45 years, but it turns out 50 at a pop...3 different sizes.. What you think on the legs and dampening (vibration control). I’m at a stop because of it..

I know I can bore the legs and add the shafts for the shot.. I just want a simpler solution... AND not kill the "Look" that was the reason to begin with. Elegance and complete precticaly.. I want it all. Silly me..

Put the legs in pots? or a pit? AGAIN what the heck is that gonna look like? :-) I like LEGS... what can I say?

I know ugly works... OK I know.. I was going more for the Ginger Rogers Gams though...

Regards...