Millercarbon's Mega Vibration Control Journey


Vibration control is such a huge, and hugely important, topic it deserves a thread of its own. There was a time I thought it nuts to say such a thing. In fact I wrote a letter to the editor excoriating them for wasting my time on the goofy idea that clamping components between shelves could have any effect on sound at all, let alone be worth spending good money on a rack designed to do just that. This was the Michael Green rack, and thanks to my closed mind and dismissive attitude I never did bother to try and find out for myself if there was anything to it.  

Important Lesson Number One: Don't be so quick to dismiss things just because you can't understand how they could work. 

Couple years later unpacking a McCormack DNA1 amp the Owner's Manual says the included spike can be used to improve sound quality. Well now. As crazy as it still sounded this time its Steve McCormack, and he's already given me the spike, so what do I have to lose? Much to my surprise it did indeed improve the sound. Not a lot. But definitely more detail, clarity.  

This is very early 1990's. There is no internet. I know precisely zero audiophiles. Until stumbling upon this one guy at work who says oh yeah and put your CDP on a phone book, and another one on top. Which sounded even crazier but the guy was serious and this being the 90's we all had phone books laying around so I gave it a shot. This time it was only the most barely perceptible improvement, but it was there. If you really listened for it. So not much. Then again, free. Wrapped some fabric around it, ran the CDP like this for quite some time. 

Around this time I'm shopping for components for my new listening room when this guy is more excited about something called Black Diamond Racing Cones than the amp or whatever he was trying to sell me. So I get 3 of these things and they're so much better than the phone book its hard to believe! Well, okay, it was a phone book. Got to compare against something, right? 

These Cones are so good I take them to this Seattle audiophile club and show them around all excited and.... nobody cares. Except this one guy who goes on and on about how he has tried phone books, tennis balls, racquet balls, styrofoam, cones, spikes, on and on everything under the sun, he's tried it all there's just no way he's gonna be impressed- he makes this very clear to me- but okay you're the new guy let me borrow em why not. But they're not gonna work. No way. 

Next day this guy calls me up gushing going on and on how great these are what are they again where did you find em how many can I get? I actually wind up becoming the Washington State distributor for Black Diamond Racing selling Cones, Shelf, all of it. This guy winds up like me, pretty much everything on BDR.  https://systems.audiogon.com/systems/8367  

A lot of what I knew about vibration control back then was based on my own experience with BDR, and learning from owner DJ Casser. This resulted in what became my guiding principles of vibration control: Mass, Stiffness, and Damping.
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MC, I got a question, are the granite slabs, your using, MMG (man made granite), or quarried? Quarried, granite, has a few different signatures.. ay? Quartz vibrates, right? I know when I use to show up and they were doing core samples, seeing how to reinforce the substrata. Pretty impressive what Old mother nature can put together.

Some of that stuff can ring like a flippin bell... Looks nice, though..

Caliche, natures concrete... Las Vegas...Bisite, and Granite in NY, everything ELSE in between..

Just wondering...

Regards
Probably better to just buy better components then to go through all of this stuff to begin with IMO anyway.
I have always been supportive of room treatments.  Even in my college dorm room I used carpet samples tacked to the walls and heavy cloth tacked into the corners of ceiling/wall.  I have kept at that ever since, albeit with much nicer applications than carpet samples tacked to the wall.
I got into AC power cleansing a couple of years ago.  I just upgraded to a Niagara 3000.  Earlier this year I learned more about vibration control and have been applying that to my system using Symposium Acoustics products.  Next upgrade is a Symposium Acoustics equipment rack, shipping out to me after this weekend.  I have learned a lot about vibration control but realize there is plenty more to learn.  This thread is a very good one for me.  I am reading it daily.  I hope there are some new additions in the next few days.  I'd like to hear more from others as well as MC.  I'm always looking to learn.  And the fun is to apply it and hear the positive results.  Thanks guys.

@bigkidz yes indeed, buying better components delivers better audio quite well.  But then, if you "go through all of this stuff" you realize much superior results than just plopping down the components, connecting them, and turning on the system.  Try these things discussed in this thread and you will be amazed at the benefits.  You will hear your music like never before.  Truly stunning.
The feedback problem I had with springs under the turntable is a damping problem. Its a problem because there is a certain range of frequency and amplitude level where we want the spring to be a spring. To let the shelf or component move freely. Damping factor by definition interferes with this. But we do want damping, just a certain very well defined amount.

This is where the story catches up to where we are in the real time here and now. Because the last week or so I’ve been looking into this and now happy to say have found a really good solution: Townshend Pods.

So good in fact I’m done writing for the night, got some listening to do which is a whole lot more fun.