Thiel Owners


Guys-

I just scored a sweet pair of CS 2.4SE loudspeakers. Anyone else currently or previously owned this model?
Owners of the CS 2.4 or CS 2.7 are free to chime in as well. Thiel are excellent w/ both tubed or solid-state gear!

Keep me posted & Happy Listening!
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The Premier 12s don’t have easily user accessible 2,4,8 Ohm taps, but they are available in the design so a local dealer can apparently switch them to whatever tap you want.


They come configured for 4 Ohm taps, which makes sense because, per JA’s measurements, they seem to be essentially designed for 4 Ohm output, generating most power/least distortion at 4 Ohm. That’s no doubt why they seem to have worked so well with all sorts of lower sensitivity/harder to drive speakers I’ve owned including the Thiels.  The CJs don't seem to "need" a high sensitivity or higher/even impedance load to work great.


Since my Joseph speakers are closer to 8 Ohms I did some research in to whether it made sense to have the CJs configured for 8 Ohm output.But research yielded information suggesting that it’s actually generally best to go with a 4 Ohm output if you can (and not just with the CJ tube amps). Even for tube amps that increase power output at 8 Ohms, or speakers that are 8 Ohms, apparently a 4 Ohm output will tend to yield the best accuracy and bass control. So for some amp/speaker pairings you may loose a tiny bit of power headroom, for slightly better sound out of 4 Ohm taps (and since it will likely be a mostly inconsequential amount, the overall better sound from the 4 Ohm can be the better choice). Again, since the CJ outputs the most power/accuracy at 4 Ohm, I leave it there and it works great with my Joseph speakers too.

As an FYI. Here is a link to the technical details of what I described in my past post on this thread. The author of this article is the person who did my DRC work. He is a big fan of Thiel's and used to own the CS3.7.

https://audiophilestyle.com/ca/bits-and-bytes/what-is-accurate-sound-r923/



prof

Right On! No doubt that the Premier 12 is a robust amp considering it can become configured into 2 Ohm output. A strong power supply indeed.
I have the same sentiments about the Premier 350 solid state power amp. Just incredible!

Happy Listening!

@prof    Love your description of 3D imaging / soundstage.  Well put.

@yyzsantabarbara  Congrats at getting through your rebuild. A lot of work while learning new stuff along the way.  Not a bad way to pass time during a pandemic.  Been doing a lighter weight thing with my 3.5 mid drivers.  

13m > 10f  3.5 mid follow up:
They do seem to be breaking in and evening out in a good way.   No new measurements taken - just subjective impressions.
I am back to listening to complete songs and enjoying the music.  I will try refoaming my bad 13m and at some point put the originals back in.  For now I will keep enjoying the 10f's and see how they (and my ears) evolve.