I will never ask the opinion of any gear on Audiogon ever again. I appreciate varyat and rauliruegas chiming in. Some words of advice, ones audio gear, our car, or home, does not hold one iota of importance. BTW, I have a 1993 Ford Ranger! I also like to spend some time in Europe, what an elitist! I use this forum to learn, expand, and broaden my scope into this wonderful passion. However, to base a persons motive from a question is nothing more than ignorance. There is a huge circuitry difference between the Grail and the Grail SE please forgive me to even think of inquiring about stupid expensive gear! I go far enough back to have had Phase Linear, Empire Turntable, Revox Reel to Reel (made in Switzerland model) and the likes when that was considered top shelf at one time. While in the Army one could purchase this gear at a fraction of its worth. So please enjoy the music with what ever gear you may have and keep your moronic opinions to yourself...