Plus and Minus


Got into a discussion with a few fellow musician audiophiles.  

Issue one:  The fidelity of home playback versus live music.  After much bantering about, it became, 'How can you tell?"  If you didn't hear it live or you don't listen to live music, how can you say your playback system is true to live?  Interesting question.  I put forward, if your monkey bone tells you it is live - then it is live.  After all, who's to say what you hear and what someone else hears is true to live or not.  If you like it - its live to you.

Second issue:  How can you tell if a tweak is positive or negative?  If put it in, did it bring you closer? When you take it out, did it make it worse?  I put forward the notion that if you put it in and listen to it for a bit and then take it out, the question becomes did it take you there or take you away?  After all, you listened to your system without it and you know how it sounded; putting something in changes it (presumably) and only after taking it out can you judge if you really like it or not or are you enamored with it.  On this, there was general agreement.

Lastly, does 'how much you paid' factor into the equation?  That was universally shot down.  There are incredible audio values in a specific piece that belay its cost.  You just gotta hunt them down.  There was agreement that there was a law of diminishing returns.  I put forth the notion that the chase for the best knows no boundary save the wallet.  The smiles and nods were universal on this point.  The law being:  If you can afford it ....

Funny hobby we have.  The monkey bone should guide us and the wallet supporting us; yet, we argue about what each other hears and neither side has the same bone n' wallet.  :-)
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Look through your collection. How much of your music is truly live recorded with a single stereo microphone pair and nothing else with no manipulation post recording?

I would say for most people that is close to 0%. Even someone who really seeks this out may be 10%?
When I first started looking for real high end components it was back in the early 90's and I did like a lot of guys still do and brought my little collection of "reference" CDs with me. Had my little list of sonic attributes to listen for and check off too. All very formulaic and I had it down. 

One day I track down a McCormack DNA1 and its so wonderfully reviewed I'm really excited even though its a long drive. But the dealer made me come in early and I said sure no problem but leave the amp on overnight I don't want it stone cold. Which that is the first thing I see, a stone cold amp! But oh well I have my CDs and my formula and so I start listening. 

Few minutes later I come out of the trance to realize I have forgotten all about my stupid checklist and even better, the reason I forgot is because this amp sounds so freaking organically you are there real! I knew that instant that a) this is the amp for me and b) reference disks and checklists are for the birds. 

From then on its feelings. You guys just have different weird names for it. Really we are talking about the same thing. At least, I think we are....
I 100% totally believe you were able to pick the sonic character of an amplifier, with a CD player you were unfamiliar with, with speakers you were unfamiliar with, in a room you were unfamiliar with. Yes, totally 100%.

This is a good example of why the "golden ears" concept is flawed.

keesue
The fidelity of home playback versus live music. After much bantering about, it became, ’How can you tell?" If you didn’t hear it live or you don’t listen to live music, how can you say your playback system is true to live?
Trying to recreate "live sound" is elusive. The best you can hope for is to get close to the master tape. If you make your own recordings - and it amazes me how few audiophiles are willing to do that - you’ll know for yourself how close you are.
Funny hobby we have. The monkey bone should guide us ...
Huh? Is a "monkey bone" some sort of voodoo prop, such as eye of newt or wool of bat?

I’d suggest that for audiophiles, reason should prevail. That’s worked well for me for many years, and not just for audio matters.
Both of the first issues have to do with the reason you buy stuff. For personal enjoyment. We can in fact compare live music to a system and try to recreate that experience, but... I usually don’t want to. I want it to sound good to me. Same with tweaks. We also run into the lack of visual experience in our systems. Lacking the eyesight of the performance we may seek to compensate for it with exaggerated imaging cues, Like Kurosawa adding smoke to a live volcano so the sense of heat transfers better off the film.

Personally, I do not care what your guiding light is, so long as it’s your taste and your wallet that are involved and no one else.

I’ve become universally disillusioned with the notion that high-end = exorbitant prices. I don’t buy gear to brag to my friends of the weight of my system or the multiple 8 gauge power lines I had drawn from a personal nuclear reactor to power my system. This is especially true with speakers. The list of speakers over $10K I have listened to which I felt were worth it are perhaps 3 brands.   Under this amount though, I've heard lots of speakers I could recommend.


Best,

Erik