Article: "Spin Me Round: Why Vinyl is Better Than Digital"

Timing matters, if you will calculate it in ms and will found in anatomy manual how ears are made you can go to sampling and resolution calculation and compare it with Nyquist figures - it’s physics and waves + math -- no engineering at all.

Exactly one part of my argument....Timbre is a complex bundles of "timing" events in a specific room discriminated by a learning process in the ears/brain....This applied to music, acoustic, and linguistic....

Only real listenings experiments with ears can decide and evaluate timbre experience....Somebody who said he dont need his own ears but Nyquist Theorem to judge timbre experience walk next to his shoes.... Or sell dac...😊 But i already own a good one myself at low cost.....😎


Thanks for your 2 wise posts...

Happy new Year...




«I use maths like a clever dog playing tricks but you know i never understand them at the end, reflex conditioning is not piano playing»- Harpo Marx

«You need to add real phenomena to numbers, not numbers to numbers brother»-Groucho Marx

In these two posts you illustrated you don't understand signal processing, digital audio, spectrum, etc.  Not much point in continuing.   At the end of the day,  you can record an album on digital, and play it back on digital (carefully choosing the equipment), and not be able to tell the two apart. That should tell you that vinyl is nothing but a bunch of colorations and distortions that can be replicated in digital. It should tell you that. If it tells you something else .....

Seven: Nyquist theorem is about coding and decoding signals and also the implicit limitations and not only the power to do so.... This theorem has nothing to do directly with TIMBRE, which is the cornerstone of musical perception but more than that the cornerstone for evaluation of audio system in their acoustical controlled or uncontrolled embeddings...


My main point in one word is ANY evaluation of analog versus digital cannot be based on Nyquist theorem only, except for those who ignore acoustic and the fundamental PERCEIVED timbre phenomena and the powerful transformation of an audio system with the rightful embeddings controls...(This last point is my own experience for 2 years experiments)

bukanona, not sure if it a second language thing, but honestly not sure the point you are trying to make.   It is more than sampling and resolution, timing is also about jitter and channel to channel matching.  Digital maintains far better timing accuracy than any analog system.

W.R.T. methodology, can you explicitly say WHY not being able to tell a direct vinyl playback from a digitally captured and recreated one is a wrong methodology?

bukanona133 posts12-31-2020 12:51pmTiming matters, if you will calculate it in ms and will found in anatomy manual how ears are made you can go to sampling and resolution calculation and compare it with Nyquist figures - it's physics and waves + math -- no engineering at all.

And to say that you can't decide which is which in blind test are due to wrong methodology. I am listening to music for pleasure and it's long term discrimination. If you are getting tired from source you are changing it.

@mijostyn, I think this sums up well what you said:

https://i.redd.it/vbc5fvgr04901.png

mijostyn3,305 posts12-31-2020 7:20amaudio2design, it is like running into a brick wall. I suspect that most of these people have very little experience with digital equipment and obviously have no idea how powerful it is. They will keep coming up with baseless explanations for digital sounding awful or why vinyl "sounds better." I suspect most of their opinions are based on the very early CD players that had bad filters and did sound pretty bad. I do not even read mahgister’s posts any more. They make me dizzy.

Thanks mahgister and audio2design

I felt like saying "Start you engines", lets get ready to race...

BUT there were two different races going on at the same time...

One going Clockwise around the track, the other going Counter Clockwise. :-)

Great, post. My (late) stocking stuffer... :-)

Was there a winner? LOL, I’m an "on the fence guy" for most of the this stuff...

BUT no name callin’ goes a long ways...

You guys will turn me into a gentleman yet. Keep trying... I’ll keep reading.

I'm playin' "Girls just want to have fun", I don't know about "GIRLS", but I DO.. LOL

HAPPY NEW YEAR...

Regards