Does Anyone Think CD is Better Than Vinyl/Analog?


I am curious to know if anyone thinks the CD format (and I suppose that could include digital altogether) sounds better than vinyl and other analog formats. Who here has gone really far down both paths and can make a valid comparison? So far, I have only gone very far down the CD path and I just keep getting blown away by what the medium is capable of! I haven’t hit a wall yet. It is extremely dependent on proper setup, synergy and source material. Once you start getting those things right, the equipment gets out of the way and it can sound more fantastic than you can imagine! It’s led me to start developing a philosophy that goes something like this: Digital IS “perfect sound forever”; it’s what we do to the signal between the surface of the CD and the speaker cone that compromises it.” 
So I suppose what I’m asking for is stories from people who have explored both mediums in depth and came to the conclusion that CD has the most potential (or vice versa - that’s helpful too). And I don’t simply mean you’ve spent a lot of money on a CD player. I mean you’ve tinkered and tweaked and done actual “research in the lab,” and came back with a deep understanding of the medium and can share those experiences with others.

In my experience, the three most important things to get right are to find a good CD player (and good rarely means most expensive in my experience) and then give it clean power. In my case, I have modified my CD player to run off battery power with DC-DC regulators. The last thing that must be done right is the preamp. It’s the difference between “sounds pretty good” and “sounds dynamic and realistic.”
mkgus
With my higher end system, I have yet to discover the differences in sound quality via different CD transports.   After I purchased my COS D2v DAC, I use my old EAR Acute as a transport and it sounds great!   

Can someone with a modestly higher end system tell me how much I will gain if any, improvement in sound using a more recent, potentially better transport?  
You will get an improvement from either playing from SSD or streaming. I suggest you explore Innuos, Lumin, Auralic, Aurender streamers. They come with SSDs to which you can load your CDs if you chose not to switch to streaming Qobus or Tidal
fleschler1:
" Can someone with a modestly higher end system tell me how much I will gain if any, improvement in sound using a more recent, potentially better transport?"

Hello fleschler1,

     I agree with antigrunge2, I believe your money would be better spent elsewhere. I think a better transport would offer, at best, only a subtle improvement in sound quality performance.
     This thread has been about cd vs vinyl, which of course, is just a matter of personal preference as it should be. If you already know that you prefer the higher performance capacity/potential and convenience of digital, however, I believe a more significant system improvement would be gained by upgrading your current Redbook digital cd playback system, consisting of a separate cd transport and dac, to a digital system with a digital file storage device/streamer along with your current COS D2v dac.  As antigrunge suggested from his post:

" You will get an improvement from either playing from SSD or streaming. I suggest you explore Innuos, Lumin, Auralic, Aurender streamers. They come with SSDs to which you can load your CDs if you chose not to switch to streaming Qobus or Tidal."

     Since you already have an excellent COS D2v dac, I'm assuming you'd probably want to keep it  If this is the case, you'd only need a good quality hard drive storage device and an interfacing method to remotely organize, display and control storage and playback.
     In my modestly higher end system, I utilize a Synology storage device with 2 TB of hard drive storage capacity, an Oppo 205 universal disc player, a Lumin D2 dac/streamer and an Apple iPad as a GUI (graphic user interface) and remote control for the digital portion of my system. 
     All 3 of these component parts are attached to my wi-fi and, therefore, are able to communicate with each other.  I utilize the iPad, loaded with the very good and included Lumin software app, to remotely view and select what to playback.  I've copied/ripped my entire cd collection to the hard drive that are stored as 16 bit/44.1 KHz lossless APE files and I also have numerous high resolution music downloads stored as 24 bit/96 KHz lossless FLAC files on this same hard drive.  It currently contains over 20,000 hours of music files from all the music genres.  
     I'm not sure how much knowledge and experience you have with the differences between the performance capacities and sound quality levels of regular Redbook cds and the higher resolution digital formats ranging from SACD to 24 bit/96 KHz to DSD playback, but I've discovered that the higher resolution formats are obviously and significantly superior. 
     Not only are the natural high dynamic ranges of musical instruments and voices not compromised by poor engineering/mixing decisions present on many cds, such as the 'loudness wars' and uni-volume, but I perceive the whole presentation as being more highly detailed, with extremely solid and stable stereo sound stage imaging that's much more realistic, palpable and natural overall.   
     I've also found it's very important to realize that the quality and method of recordings, however, are just as important with hi-res recordings as those on any other format.  I've discovered the hi-res downloads/recordings from the Sound Liaison Music Shop in Europe are exceptionally good.   Anything from Carmen Gomes I highly recommend:
https://www.soundliaison.com/ 
 
     They utilize high quality but limited miking and mixing techniques and record performers direct to hi-res digital as the musicians play live in their fairly large and acoustically very high quality studio before a small audience.   The quality of these recordings, that I typically download as 24 bit/96 KHz FLAC files are extraordinary and obviously superior to any of my ripped cd files. 
     The only downside is that their unique recording techniques limits their catalog to newer, lesser known musicians and groups.  The reason is that the 'provenance' of a master recording, which just means the entire specific history of the master recording, is critical in determining the playback quality of the subsequent recording copies made from the original master. 
   The important characteristic of a recording's provenance to understand is that it is basically set in stone once it has been originally made.  For example, all masters originally recorded on reel to reel tape are limited to the optimum capacities of that format, which includes such factors as its signal to noise ratio, frequency and dynamic range as well as any other limiting optimum specifications and capacities.
     This means transferring a reel to reel original master recording to a higher capacity hi-res format, and claiming it has been "remastered to high resolution digital ", results in absolutely no actual performance or sound quality improvements since the original provenance of the original master format dictates its optimum performance and sound quality.  
     As I understand it, HD Tracks is not alone in using this very ineffective and dubious method of transferring standard resolution original masters to a hi-res digital format and claiming their retailed copies and downloads are "remastered to high resolution digital format". 
      It's why I never purchase from these companies and probably explains why many individuals claim to not perceive any differences between the same band/song on their original cd and the "remastered to hi-res digital" cd they just purchased at 3-4 times the price.  It makes much more sense once it's understood they're comparing the original cd track to a virtually exact copy of the original track transferred to a higher resolution bucket or format. 
      Lastly, I hope relating my personal experiences with the extremely high quality direct to hi-res digital master recording downloads I've utilized properly explains why I believe its an ideal method of recording masters.  I hope this method becomes the predominate method of recording new music asap since it's not only sota in my opinion, it's a much more durable medium that doesn't degrade with usage and you're literally purchasing an exact copy of the original master with each download. Ideal, right?
I hope this was useful to you fleschler1,
Tim
Hold on there Tim. Most music after 1990 is recorded in hi res digital.
Older issue may still be analog but much of that has been digitized. Yes, there are companies that specialize in very high quality recording. I get D2D discs from Bandcamp and they are excellent if you like the music. If you don't like the music how it was recorded means nothing. The question becomes what version of the album that I want sounds best? So you check out what is available. If it is an older analog recording I will go with the Vinyl if it is available. With a newer digital recording I'll go with the highest resolution I can get or Vinyl. You would be surprised at how much better some 16/44.1 discs sound when you oversample them and move the filters up out of the way. I find that HD Tracks does an excellent job for the most part and I would bet the record companies get the lion's share of responsibility for how the recordings are transferred. It is not like HD Tracks is trying to do this under the table. Most of my new material comes from HD tracks. The industry is obviously learning to trust them as a very legitimate storefront. As for which format sounds best? That has more to do with other issues than the sampling rate and bit depth.
@noble100  Thank you for your informed response.  About 2,500 of my 7,000 CD collection consists of music not seen (and probably never will be available) on streaming or any other format.  They consist of ethnic, proprietary (my own orchestral, chamber and choral recordings of the past 35 years, 20+ years digital) and remasterings of 78 rpm records with esoteric/subsription labels Marston, Romophone and Biddulph for instance.  Another 2,500 CDs of the analog LP era are not currently available on streaming and some of the other 2,500 CDs that are available for streaming used inferior masterings/versions of the CDs.  So, perhaps 1,000 of my CDs would or could sound better on streaming.  

Knowing that upgrading to a Esoteric, Jay's Audio or Denafrips transport won't make much difference in my CD sound quality is very helpful.  I'll use the savings for another cartridge or tweaks to my system.