Speaker sensitivity vs SQ

@clearthinker --

I'd agree with poster @ctsooner here. Pro manufacturers, the more or less sole supplier for this segment, have developed and build their high efficiency drivers for decades now, and relative to their size, material use and R&D are actually very fairly priced compared to "hi-fi" drivers in general. Boutique high eff. drivers with AlNiCo magnets or field coils housed in luxuriously finished cabinets and all will always be (much) more steeply priced, though are hardly representative in this context. Fortunately they needn't be that pricy to show the merits of high efficiency designs. 

Largely it comes down to size, sound type and association, I believe; high efficiency speakers are closely related to if not directly derived from the pro sector (certainly driver-wise), a sector audiophilia isn't too comfortable with, and coupled with their sonic imprinting as typically more direct, dense, dynamic and present (also due to their dispersive nature) may not appeal to audiophiles and their more widespread exposure to a "softer," thinner, more laid-back and "reverberative" sound (some even feel the dynamics capabilities of high eff. speakers to be "exaggerated"). I'm sure many regard high eff. designs as more "brute" and lacking subtlety, not least when linked to the pro/studio environment, but it's often very far from the truth (did I mention conjecture?). As if sheer volume wasn't an issue already high eff. into the lower octaves takes some very serious size - there's no noodling around that requirement either - and when most have jumped ship with the high eff. main speakers long ago it's even more rare seeing subs in this category of speakers. 

What's most popular in hi-fi is also a popular narrative, and that's an inertia not easily brought to hold. 

@mijostyn ,

How can you cool the driver voice coil if you need 100 watts to listen to it at normal volume?
Even if you put a dedicated fan it wouldn't help!
In contrast if you need just 5 watt, you don't have this problem even with the most straightforward driver coil design.

Regards,
Alex.

 

Thank you phusis.
If I understand you correctly, you make a new point after 119 posts to this thread:
A large majority of audiophile speaker designs are low efficiency because a large majority of audiophiles don't like some of the sound characteristics of high efficiency speaker designs.  Or, as you say, they think they don't.

If that's correct, I wonder how much the sound characteristics of the puny 10 watt often SET amps that are commonly used to drive high efficiency designs have got to do with it.  Like some of the posters here, I certainly don't like them.  Would they sound different (better?) driven with a high current amp with a big power supply, even if the wick has to be turned a long way down?  They would be under better control, particularly in the bass where most of the problem lies.

@atmasphere --

...  A higher efficiency driver that can make 98dB with 1 watt and is 8 ohms is a different beast altogether. This describes the 15" drivers in my speakers at home and they cost $2000.00 each.

These are field coil-fitted drivers, right? In that presumable case their price, though way above what needs to serve a fitting purpose here, makes a little more sense. 

You can find 15" drivers that cost $200.00. I'd be very interested to learn of a 15" with the same 22Hz free air resonance and 150 watt power handling that cost $200, or even $600.00. Have at it! But I think you'll find that such simply does not exist.

The Electro-Voice DL15W woofer/mids of my pro cinema speakers are 97dB sensitive/8 ohms, have a 21Hz free air resonance, and take 400 watts long term. And there are two of them in each speaker (+ subs). Being they're high-passed below ~85Hz further adds to their power handling. I'm unaware of their price being they're discontinued, but my guess is around $300 retail per driver at the time.

Hi @clearthinker ,

The problem is because high efficiency speakers today are rare a very few audiophile had opportunity to listen good implemented system with high efficiency speakers.
The other factor is the average high efficiency speakers are more transparent and shows more flaws of the system electronics.

I remember, for me it was shock when I at first listened a good high efficiency speakers system back at 2002. I was like a medieval knight who saw an army armed with aircraft and tanks.
Since that day I heard many systems, but any low efficient system didn’t impress me. In the best case they sound just OK. They also sound more boring in therm of music.
If any thing impressed me - it always was high efficient system!

Regards,
Alex.