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Regarding two aftermarket power cables: "These differences in the shapes of the musical waveforms are far too small to see or measure with even the most sophisticated technology, yet we as listeners not only routinely discriminate such differences, we sometimes find musical meaning in these differences."

 Nonsense. Just because people claim to "routinely discriminate" differences doesn't mean it's true or they're right. Apparently many have witnessed UFOs but that doesn't mean they actually saw extraterrestrial visitors, does it? Some have seen/heard a deity speaking to them "routinely"; does that imply that they are surely communing with an unseen/unmeasurable spiritual force(s)? Can we not put a little more effort into confirmatory reality-testing first when "the most sophisticated technology" can find nothing in 2020? (Of course, speaker cables can measure differently as per here, here, even if not necessarily audible in many cases by the time we connect amp to speaker.)

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dave_b
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I am the 5th group as well 🙂
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mahgister
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I am the 5th group as well 🙂
I know i could not be alone, welcome....😌


sokogear
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There are 2 things to consider:

1) what is theoretically (scientifically, measurably) better
2) what is audibly noticeably better

Some people want “the best” - even though we know there is no “best” regardless of cost. They’ll pay/do anything even for only consideration 1 above. Sometimes, it is free to get the scientific benefit (cables not touching, etc). 
Then some can be of varying expense- making sure wires are not moving or vibrating internally in components,  making sure stylus is not subject to outside vibration. Room treatments, silver cable wire, $40K phono stages.
Beware of the law of diminishing returns and what you can actually hear, not what you think you hear. Psychoacoustics. Listen for yourself. Take reviews, especially in publications with advertisers, with a grain of salt. Seems like everything they listen to is great and a great value compared to the competition. Of course that is impossible.

Happy listening and testing.
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mahgister
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Thanks sokogear....

Just a remark to say that the diminishing return laws applies in all case...

But all my devices are homemade and cost peanuts then it is impossible for most to trust the fact that for peanuts we can create a more than good Hi-fi system...




douglas_schroeder
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+1 russbutton, waiting for riding season! 

Humorus anecdote; when I got my 2016 Yamaha FJ-09 I was surprised the first time the dealer started it up - it's a 3 cylinder and frankly, sounds like an oversized sewing machine. I thought, "What kind of kiddie sound is this?" But, the other aspects of the bike, the features and performance are very much to my liking. 

OTOH, I very much dislike loud bikes and would not own one. So, I'll take the "sewing machine" sound with the very nice performance.  I could switch out the exhaust for something more rugged, but then I'm heading toward the obnoxious end again. 

One goal I have in riding is to protect my ears as much as possible. I always wear foam plugs and have a very good, full helmet as regards noise reduction. It's shocking how loud wind noise can be! I install as high of windshields as possible to block air for reduction of wind noise. 
I do not depend on hearing when riding, as it is reduced in order to protect the hearing. I don't make a move unless I can see it. 

HELP FOR RIDERS: I have no clue why this is not done OEM in the industry, but I always buy the small (approx. 1.5") convex mirrors for autos or trucks and put them on the cycle's mirrors! Superb extra coverage of field of vision! It allows full rear vision! Why cycles do not come with such as standard safety feature, I have no clue, but I would not be without them!  :) 
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