Article: "Spin Me Round: Why Vinyl is Better Than Digital"

audio2design, you continue to accuse me of making things up.   I don’t make things up.  My patience with your arrogance runs thin. Yours is precisely the attitude that I come across on the part of many engineers who rely on theory because they don’t have particularly good ears (at best) and even worse, considering their profession, do not have good sensibilities when it comes to music and performance.

mahgister puts it well:

**** I argued against the dogmatic affirmation by the power of numbers of absolute digital superiority.... Precisely because the human ears experience decide first.....****

Exactly.

Now, you should spend a little less energy on trying to be right (you are not) and a little more on reading what others have written more carefully.

**** I am also saying your claim that recording engineers think analog/vinyl is more "real" on average is made up ****

Nowhere did I write anything of the sort. Quite the opposite:

**** I could also point out and expound on the fact that recording engineers and musicians are often at odds as to what sounds closer to real (one reason so many recordings sound subpar) ****

He does not have the culture and deep philosophical understanding necessary to even pose the problem...

He think that measured "accuracy" always rules over ears accuracy, without being conscious of the implicit epistemological fallacy : a circle of measured numbers without human interpreters means nothing....


He essentially accuse you of lying, he accuse even a mathematician, who wrote in simple terms for general public about his own experience between digital and analog without condemning the turntable, to be unable to understand Nyquist theorem... Which is a ridiculous accusation against any mathematician...

He accuse me of ignorance in audio but that is relatively true then i will not object, but it is certainly also his case in many aspects of audio unbeknownst to him....


I dont know why i was arguing with him, except i miss my job, counselling students and discussing about their readings...Mathematics included .... 😊 i remember that i argued with him the first time because i dont like condemnation of ignorance about all turntable lovers...

All his posts demonstrate that he does not have a clue about the modelling timbre concept ( he call this euphonic subjective then unreal colors 😄) and microphones then what could we say ?.... If myself ignorant in acoustic can spot these holes, his knowledge is not what he think it is........

Anyway....

I will not ask you which is your musical instrument by discretion but 😋i guess it is piano.... 

My deepest salutations...

To me its like a porn DVD as opposed to the real thing.  Digital plays music for you; vinyl immerses you in the musical experience.  Digital will give you a 3 d sonic hologram if its set up right but vinyl brings you into that hologram (if its set up right).  Its really not close.  

Universe was created and is maintain by a sound .... Even the prime numbers series is a sound pattern, in music conscious ears rules equations not the reverse....

Then i cannot contest your experience even if i am happy with my digital implementation....




«At the end acoustic is consciousness itself»-Anonymus Smith

My own experience is that audio S.Q. is proportional to the rightfully embeddings controls and treatment in the mechanical, electrical, amd acoustical dimensions way more than solely the choice of an electronic

component....

On the other hand with an ordinary system not rightfully acoustically embedded, i think analog is more robust and able to give a more truthful experience of timbre than digital in the same quality level system and conditions... But for superior system and very good embeddings i dont

think so.... But here it is also my limited opinion...

Dear Mahgister, we all know it is a pain to set up analog. I am not able to get all the vta , sra etc. right. Listing again and again to small changes makes me start to hate analog :-). All I do is roughtly to get the setup work o.k.. But still at the end I always prefer analog over the years - mainly in terms of tiring free listening. Although I had several equipments which played in serveral rooms during the years.

You are saying that analog is more robust, if the system is not acoustically embebbded good enough, which in my case has been always true. For example the place for my speaker has always been the place where the speakers have to be placed from a visial point of view.Additional I assume that most people like me do not have the skills to set up a system perfectly and let the system work with the room and not against. Because of this would one not expect more people prefer analog? And why you believe an analog system is more robust.