Harley quote


Regarding two aftermarket power cables: "These differences in the shapes of the musical waveforms are far too small to see or measure with even the most sophisticated technology, yet we as listeners not only routinely discriminate such differences, we sometimes find musical meaning in these differences."

 Nonsense. Just because people claim to "routinely discriminate" differences doesn't mean it's true or they're right. Apparently many have witnessed UFOs but that doesn't mean they actually saw extraterrestrial visitors, does it? Some have seen/heard a deity speaking to them "routinely"; does that imply that they are surely communing with an unseen/unmeasurable spiritual force(s)? Can we not put a little more effort into confirmatory reality-testing first when "the most sophisticated technology" can find nothing in 2020? (Of course, speaker cables can measure differently as per here, here, even if not necessarily audible in many cases by the time we connect amp to speaker.)

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Diminishing returns is the term used by audiophiles with more money than common sense in order to justify that there will always be an improvement ...
The concept of diminishing returns is a well-established principle. It is a very real thing, not some imaginary factor.
... in reality at some point there is no audible improvement, and many changes are only different, not better.
You contradict yourself. If a change results in a difference, then it's possible to establish whether it is better or worse, both objectively (at least in theory) and subjectively.
Thanks for the correction cleeds...

Point of diminishing return is way more nearer to us that most think it is.... On that i am with audiodesign...

But i accept your precision about the fact that we can always judge if a difference is better or worse, subjectively and objectively, indeed if a difference is perceived ...

But the essential is that this " point" is always objectively nearer to us that we subjectively think it is....




This point is objective in 2 direction, then this point is an oriented line or a VECTOR in his simplest form or a TENSOR if we analyse his many dimensions...

One direction TOWARD this moving point for ALL audiophiles is determined by the factors linked to improving design, and improving embedding controls...(Objective factors)

The other direction FROM this point, at an instant T, for a specific audiophile is determined by the listening history of this audiophile....(Subjective factor)

(If you link the 2 directions dynamically you have a tensor which describe the many factors constituting the potential history of all audiophiles)

Then this point represent in itself an history in design experiments and listenings experiments which is more a surface (a phase space) than a simple "point"....

Not the elusive and illusory "point" that audiodesign say it is.....Then calling this phenomena that linked price and quality design/ to S.Q. increase, calling that a "POINT" is in itself misleading....Because some less attentive person after that can call this point only "an illusion".... 😁

But he is perrfectly right about the fact that this point is always nearer to us than we think....And this fact is essential to understand some aspect of the audio phenomenon .....

Sometimes audiodesign is right.... But not always for the good reason..... 😊




«Are you sure that using tensors can help someone to understand history?»-Groucho Marx
Neurosis runs deep with us audiophiles
Listening music especially some type of music, is a therapeutic for all neurosis, especially the audiophile one....



«In the poison is the remedy» -Hippocrates
I am a scientist, not an engineer. However, there are a great many things in the physical world that exist but cannot be measured. That is the purpose of scientific discovery.