Is going from a Ortofon Candenza Black to a Ortofon Winfield a lateral move?


I have an opportunity to pick up a very low use Winfield at a good price. That said, after moving my Cadenza Black I'll pay at least $750 for the Winfield. The Winfield retails for about $1,400 more but to me the specs look pretty similar. Anybody have any experience with these carts to provide some feedback? Thanks. 
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@pops that’s a nice table set up you have! I too listen to mostly rock genre music and now getting into jazz so I would also like @billstevenson’s opine on how the Windfeld handles this type of music. 
I have an original Winfield, and like it. It does not glorify records...it tells it like it is. Good recordings are fabulous with great depth, air, etc....( even monos sound very good). Poorly recorded discs will sound just that way. Tracks everything without distress.
I am a user of Ortofon Cartridges for a couple of years.
I am happily making my way up the ladder of Ortofon Models.
 
My main stimulant to adopt Ortofon Cartridges was from hearing a Ortofon Vienna as a standard build and then at a later date it had received a modified / Upgrade Build, that incorporated new generation modern Ortofon Technology used in later generation MC's.
The Vienna and Jubilee share similar technology, even though both having a different Spec.
They are early produced models that are using Neodymium Magnets, WRD and Boron.
These technologies are the cornerstone of the Ortofon Sound, that have been successfully built upon.  

Since my ownership of a Kontrapunkt B Ortofon Cartridge that was  modified / rebuilt and has used modern Ortofon MC technology on the build.

The above Cartridges have been A/B Compared, the K'B does not match the Vienna.
The Standard Vienna, from recollection 'when rebuilt', seemed to have a
perceived improvement when I auditioned it.
It was this audition that prompted the decision to rebuild the K'B.

The rebuilt K'B when listened to with the rebuilt Vienna is a more desirable comparison, with the Vienna being noticeably better.

I know of some with the modified/rebuilt older generation Ortofon Cartridges that have rcently began to use Cadenza's in their system, as a additional Cartridge.
Due to the Pandemic and the imposed restrictions, I am yet to audition
a Cadenza in comparison to a Older Generation Cartridge.

Note: all the above comparisons, have taken place on the same TT, Tonearm and Head Shell Model, On a system that is familiar, but not owned.  

I myself have taken this a little further and have purchased a Cadenza Black because of the Latest Technology and Aucurum Wire.
I see this as a Coil Material that will help with producing a SQ I am impressed by.
The C'B is to be modified / rebuilt when the Pandemic recedes.

The C'B and Windfeld are both produced from 2008.
They share similar Materials in their construction.
They Share Neodymium Magnets , Aucurum Wire, WRD and a
Boron Cantilever, 

The C'B and Windfeld have a Different Stylus and the Windfeld has the FSE Technology on board.
How much impact the FSE Technology when combined with the other technology used on a SQ is a unknown to me, and I have no recollection of seeing it discuused.

A research will show there are Stylus available that will be a extremely close match to a Replicant 100 and a C'B could be retipped with a close match stylus.
FG Stylus might be a good place to start, as the Cadenza Bronze are being seen with FG retips.

The Windfeld Ti is produced from 2017 and has a body produced from a New Material Technology Body which is claimed to offer
( Improved Vibration Control )

I am sure there are to be differences perceived for the SQ of  each Cartridge when compared, that is for sure.

I look forward to the reports on the perceived differences, if the OP chooses to take on the Windfeld. 
   

  
I had originally a new Ortofon Jubilee and had issues with a slighly skew cantilever, which made me, upon its accepted replacement, move 'up' to the then original new PW, the one we seem to be talking about here, eh? 😉 

I NEVER managed to warm up to this one, and really not for lack of trying, sorry. 🙏 

And BTW, the original Peer Windfeld does NOT have the more advanced Replicant 100 stylus! It has a Shibata stylus, just like the Candenza Black, as well it neither has the titanium body either! 
I'm currently running my own Cadenza Black, also have the Quintet Black S by the way. Aquired both after selling my 'boring' PW... 😏 

So your question about their differences appears rather justified to me, despite some comments to the contrary! 

I also practically always use(ed) my SUT with any of them, a 1:20 Fidelity Research (its a passive item). 

So what's the difference between the old PW and the current Cadenza Black? 

Next to NOTHING in my experience, and I'm not at all nostalgically looking back at all to the original PW.
It was jolly bland in my system (look it up in my profile) and the Cadenza is without question doing the better job, for me. Amen

The PW Ti is a different item all together, not even a need to elaborate, however it has also a lower output then the Cadenza Black and old PW cartridge, which could be an issue? 

With my 1:20 SUT I'm fine by using the 60db ML 326S Phono board setting, plus a 6db boost from the 18db total boost available by this ML 326S preamp. So 66db is right on. 

My advise: stick with the Cadenza Black, unless you intend to spend major $$$ on the PW Ti, but make sure your own system will be up to showing any improvement!
See Raul's comment on that subject. 
M. 🇿🇦