Thiel Owners


Guys-

I just scored a sweet pair of CS 2.4SE loudspeakers. Anyone else currently or previously owned this model?
Owners of the CS 2.4 or CS 2.7 are free to chime in as well. Thiel are excellent w/ both tubed or solid-state gear!

Keep me posted & Happy Listening!
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beetlemania

No. I scored a sweet offer for an AX-5 in stock form. This is a very good thing, as I will send the amp back to AYRE, and enjoy a 2021 upgrade.
Any new gear headed your direction this year? 


Happy Listening!
@tomthiel

I think I've brought this up before but...
One of the differences I heard between my 3.7 and 2.7s was a finer, more subtle sense of detail on the 3.7s and the 3.7s "disappeared" a bit better.So even if an instrument or voice was panned hard right to the speaker location, the voice would float around the speaker.  Whereas the 2.7s have a teeny bit more problem getting the sound "out" of the speaker in the same situations.

Apparently the baffle of the 3.7 was metal (aluminum?) where there was a bit of cost-cutting in the 2.7 so it was a less stiff material (wood? MDF?).    I presume that could be responsible for the observation.

It makes me wonder about a tweak for the 2.7s of re-enforcing the baffle from behind within the cabinet, say with metal or something that makes it comparable to the 3.7's baffle.

Is that something Rob could pull off?  I have no idea how difficult that would be.
Thanks
Prof - I’ve only heard the 3.7 and 2.7 once, when auditioning the final prototype 2.7 at the Thiel factory in 2012. We all heard what you are hearing.

There’s probably more to it than the baffle. A few years and $six figures were spent optimizing the 2.7 within its budget parameters. The aluminum baffle is a contributing element, but any upgrade would have to be from outside, since the interior has multiple shelf braces in the way. A person might route a pocket into the MDF baffle front to seat a custom aluminum plate. Serious undertaking that I doubt Rob would take on - but ask him. You would get significant improvement using counter-top laminate (Formica, etc.) rather than aluminum.
An effective and feasible upgrade addresses the 2.7 midrange xo feed which goes through a 400uF electrolytic cap as well as a series 20 gauge feed coil, without any shunt to ground. Jim never used electrolytics in series feed stations (after the 02 in 1976). That "caught in the box" effect is something that big E caps do. I have developed some substitutes from Clarity Cap 100uF x 160 volt CSAs. I doubt you have room in the enclosure for them plus they’re fairly expensive. Note that Jim’s solution for the 3.7 is a cap bridge with multiple 75uF PPs. The feed coil in that station in the 3.7 is 18 gauge for about double the current / resistance performance.
If I were in your shoes I’d consider the following:
Baffle treatment: remove the drivers and the threaded inserts (if any).Mount 1/2" (or larger) birch dowels into holes drilled into the edge of the driver openings, at least an inch and preferably farther behind the front surface. Wood screws into that side grain of the dowels will couple the drivers more tightly to a greater cross section of the baffle. Use viscous gasket goop behind the drivers (Permatex type 2 non hardening) to damp the natural interface resonance. That mounting on a formica face gets you pretty far up the performance ladder.
Crossover: replace that 400uF E-cap with 4 @ 100uF in parallel. Consider replacing the bypass caps with ClarityCap CSAs. While you’re in there I’d swap in some Mills MRA-12 resistors in that series midrange feed. Same for the series feed in the tweeter.
That’s some low hanging fruit and something that a good bench tech could handle if it’s more than you want to tackle. Rob may have suitable parts or advice, or you may contact me for specs and sources.
The 2.7 is a very nice speaker and in some ways easier to take on a broader range of material and amplification than the 3.7. But immediacy and detail are relatively compromised.


Just in case anyone is interested, Saturday Audio Exchange in Chicago is listing a pair of CS 7.2 in teak for $4499.  They are also listing an MCS-1 for $899.