Please Educate Me


If I can’t find the answer here, I won’t find it anywhere. 

Something I’ve wondered about for a long time: The whole world is digital. Some huge percentage of our lives consists of ones and zeros. 

And with the exception of hi-fi, I don’t know of a single instance in which all of this digitalia isn’t yes/no, black/white, it works or it doesn’t. No one says, “Man, Microsoft Word works great on this machine,” or “The reds in that copy of Grand Theft Auto are a tad bright.” The very nature of digital information precludes such questions. 

Not so when it comes to hi-fi. I’m extremely skeptical about much that goes on in high end audio but I’ve obviously heard the difference among digital sources. Just because something is on CD or 92/156 FLAC doesn’t mean that it’s going to sound the same on different players or streamers. 

Conceptually, logically, I don’t know why it doesn’t. I know about audiophile-type concerns like timing and flutter. But those don’t get to the underlying science of my question. 

I feel like I’m asking about ABCs but I was held back in kindergarten and the computerized world isn’t doing me any favors. Now, if you’ll excuse me, I have some work to do. I’ll be using Photoshop and I’ve got it dialed in just right. 
paul6001
paul6001,

”Conceptually, logically, I don’t know why it isn’t.”

Doesn’t that invite a response, doesn’t that ask somebody to inform me why it does?
No, it does not. It is a part of your musings, not a question by any means.

"Glupson, you got me. A triumph of form over content. As punishment I hereby ban myself from this forum."

No need for punishment. Some of us are just not good with either form, or content. You are not the only one who exhibited deficiencies in both here. I was not out to get you, I will happily return you to wherever you came from. It is just that I have low tolerance for bragrants who call others’ lives and plates whatever you called them.


Hi Paul -

"Why is digital audio information treated differently than digital information in any other form."

Well in fact since you are a master printer, you know that your Canon is going to print the same file differently from your Epson. And that the print will look different on glossy and matte papers from the same or different makers. You know that a Leica lens will render the identical scene differently from a Canon. Perhaps most on point, every app will convert your RAW file in a slightly different way.

Then, though they all use the same sRGB file, your smartphone will display differently from your laptop and your big bux calibrated monitor. And it’s not just how they display, it is how quickly they render, how bright the image is, how much of the gamut you really see, etc. There is a myriad of variables. Which as a professional image maker you manage by testing, then locking down the variables.

The point is that all (many?) digital media present differently depending on their path back to our ability to perceive them. To paraphrase a photo term, various devices have different perceptual intents - either by design or as the result of engineering decisions be they adequate or inadequate.

The other thing that I think is extremely important to consider is the history of audio. Voices, instruments, all kinds of components along the signal path, and every concert hall are all celebrated for their differences, not their similarities. There is no white balance, there is no way to measure color temperature. There is zero db, THD, SN, SPL and other measures that like barrel distortion are useful, but limited in explaining what we perceive - sometimes distortion sounds good - ask any rock band. How loud it is will greatly affect your perception of the recording; just as how large a print is, how far away it is and how it is lit will impact the viewer’s perception of an image.

A studio performance sounds different than a concert performance - same singer, same song, same instruments. An LP and a CD of the exact same recording sound different, as does a 44.1 versus 192 file. In fact, if you look at it, those differences and their alleged fidelity replicating a recording is what marketers use to justify one component costing more than another.

So IMO it is simply not reasonable to presume (or mandate) that all decoding and playback systems (which is what we are focusing on) will sound the same; when every listener, every room and every system is as different as a fingerprint. It’s simply not possible. Which I find incredibly amusing given that they all purport to provide a window into the ’truth’.

Having wandered in and out of these discussions for a few decades, I have concluded that like photography what this hobby is about is becoming proficient at discerning and defining those differences for yourself. Then putting a system together so that you hear (experience) all that nuance and variety in a way that is pleasing to you in your listening environment. It may be sacrilege to say it, but everything else is just noise.

paul6001: “I’m not willing (at this point, anyway) to trade decorating for sound. And I can’t imagine that there’s any other way to diffract or absorb the sound, short of hanging curtains in front of them, which sorta defeats the principle. Suggestions, anyone?”

I have a similar issue but I’m considering using some GIK freestanding acoustic panels that I can place into position at the first reflection points on each side wall when listening. You might check those out.
You’re now decorating for sound. Great if the wife oks it. Bass traps come first in corners where floor meets sidewalks and ceiling meets sidewalls.
Mahgister,  " We can correct anything in a room, even the worst position...But for sure the speakers location distance MUST be precise... Othen than that, even with one of my speaker pressed in a corner for example my imaging is balanced.....
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  Time aligning can allow for differing distances and for precise balancing of when sound arrives to your ears. You can set gain so imaging is good but when you set time and gain you get balanced sound and more definition. I built a single fold horn with a 108" throat depth and dialing that in was a revelation. Some of my SMAHL and LMAHL tweeter buyers want free standing ones because they claim to be able to hear a difference in time alignment just by moving the tweeters across the top of the speaker cabinet. My hearing is not that acute so I take their word for it.