Which speakers did you find bright, fatiguing or just disappointing in some way?

It is incredibly difficult to find speakers that don’t at least annoy much, in one way or another.

I dont think that my Mission Cyrus are so good and better than the best names people named here...No way... They are good but cannot beat most highly designed speakers... My ols Tannoy were better for example... But why the Mission are so amazing now ?

They had no defect on any count to my ears.... Is it their miraculous design that produce miracles?

Not at all, it is the passive treatment and active controls of my small room...

Save for little cheap box, and some exceptional badly designed speakers, it is the ROOM who kill or ressuscitate speakers...I repeat that because if someone never experience it by himself it is incredible and UNIMAGINABLE...

Some use very,very costly, gear and their sound is bad, fatguing and the timbre unnatural why?

Who really think that a 100,000 bucks speakers are bad? No way, designers at this level are not stupid....


It is the ROOM.....


No speaker can exceed his room, any controlled room can exceed any part of the audio system in potential S.Q.

@mahgister,

"It is the ROOM.....
No speaker can exceed his room, any controlled room can exceed any part of the audio system in potential S.Q."


I'm inclined to agree. My modest music centre did sound pretty good in our old house. My current system is supposedly vastly superior but not as satisfying.

Some of that will be down to me being a lot younger back then and in the early days of discovering the world of rock music courtesy mainly of 2 books (The Illustrated "New Musical Express" Encyclopaedia of Rock and Paul Gambaccini's Critic's Choice: Top 200 Albums).

Even so, some of that must have been down to the room. Perhaps my previous room was a little bit more lively, and that fitted better in with my tastes?


Unfortunately most of us are constrained in the choice of what (size of speakers) we can put into our room nevermind which room we can put them in.

Therefore it's mostly a question of making the best of what we have.

Anyway, point taken, every loudspeaker must be considered in conjunction with the environment it is to be used in.

As someone once said, it is usually a question of placing one box inside another one.

It's bound to have some effect. 

I’m inclined to agree. My modest music centre did sound pretty good in our old house. My current system is supposedly vastly superior but not as satisfying.

I will repeat myself but if someone has not lived through a complete transformation of an audio system, without any upgrade of gear, reaching a higher new scale of S.Q. with acoustic treatment and controls ( non electronic one in my case) it is UNIMAGINABLE...

And most people has never experienced it , and if so on an uncomplete and small scale...

My luck is i own a room only for my audio experiments, nothing else, then i lived throught this astounding metamorphosis of a frustrating low cost system to a new one so good that even any system at any price will not urge me to upgrade.... My system is by no means the best there is, but is embedded the best i could during my last 2 years experiments...

If the vibraphone and the piano or the orchestra are in the room with natural timbre perception in 2 listening positions the goal is achieved...

Nobody can exagerate the impact of acoustic, everyone is engaged in the valuation impact of electronic design of amplifier or dac they just bought.... This is consumerism blind to the necessary measures and works linked to the controls of the 3 working dimensions of any audio system....Valorizing mainly electronic design  is an half truth that hide the audio journey precious goal: everybody with a modest system but a good one can enjoy true hi-fi experience modulo the rightful embeddings controls...

My saying is not very popular among those who boast with 200,000 bucks system for sure, especially when they never  have put a great effort in their acoustic management... 😁

But acoustic is more around  80 % of the S.Q. than around 50 %, of the potential which a system can deliver.... i increase my percentage in the last 2 months because of my new Helmholtz room tuner and bottles flabbergasting  impact ... 😊

mahgister would you like me to come round and evaluate your speakers?  I am pretty sure they are out of tune.

Infinity Quantum Line Source = ear bleed.