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REL subs with Acoustat 1+1s?

I've been searching on-line but my Google-fu is weak today apparently. I'm thinking of moving on from my RH Labs sub to a pair of REL subs. Two reasons:
  1. First, the RELs are self-powered. This should ostensibly leave more power for the ESL panels as my ARC VS-110 would not have to drive the RHL sub.
  2. The other is to have better distribution of lower frequencies in my room.
The problem is that I can't find a resource that tells me how crossover duties are handled for the full range speakers in the system. My current RH Labs sub acts as the crossover and does all of the lower frequency work while passing the mid and upper signals to the Acoustats. It appears the RELs have an adjustable crossover but that it only controls the sub itself. Does that mean that the ESLs would still get a full spectrum signal?
My other question is, how to I get signal to the RELs? Run another set of cables from the amp to each sub?
How do you folks with RELs and ESL panels do this?AdThanksVance.
Happy listening.
musicfan2349
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georgehifi
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musicfan2349
subs with Acoustat 1+1s?

Over the years I had the 1+1’s and the 2+2’s and (ML Monolith, with active bottom end), don’t take the sub/s up too far in FR as they can’t match the ESL’s speed anything above 100hz.

And passively roll off the ESL’s with 2nd order high pass, at around 120hz-150hz, like this sort of thing with air core would be better, but won't be practical.
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/100-Hz-High-Pass-8-Ohm-Crossover/321572212107?hash=item4adf328d8b:g:S1cA...
(if you use active on the ESL’s say goodbye to the natural sound you’ve been used to.)

If your looking for "low tight bass" to match it with the esl’s speed, get a quality "motional feedback controlled sub/s" that’s 10"-12" with active xover set at around 70-90hz and use line level to drive them.

And spend time getting your phasing distances right and don’t have the subs volume up too loud, so you don’t hear them all the time.

Cheers George
audiorusty
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I am a REL owner and for your application I would look into a JL Audio e110 or e112
art_boston
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Run the 1+1's full range, use a splitter from your source to the amp and powered sub, fill in the lowest range with the sub's controls.
Simple, effective. I'm running the same setup with model 1's.
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daveyf
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Lot of folk have not heard the new REL subs. The new models are able to keep up with almost all speakers, including stats. The smaller models are IME even better than the larger models, but all will work well with 1+1's. Using the high level connection is as I stated before, preferable. As George stated above, keeping the volume level down to make the blend invisible is ideal...although getting the blend if you acquire two subs is exponentially more complex and time consuming. 
james633
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The Rel will not limit the signal to the mains. Just the sub. You would need an external active crossover like the JL CR-1.
I would get a pair of JL audio E112. They have built in crossovers. You send the preamp out to the sub. Then the sub out to your amp. Then just adjust the crossover as needed in a true high pass setup. This works very well.
I would not use subs without a high pass crossover. It will alway be poor.

I hear zero loss of sound quality (grain detail) running through the subs but my system modest, in crazy land anyway.
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