Most rooms don’t need acoustical treatment.

Then there are the Squids the guys who buy cheap bikes, make them loud and ride like idiots in traffic.They are screaming for attention like the Poser but put others at risk in the way they ride.

All metaphors has the limit intended or unintended by their user...




 For example myself, i bought cheap audio, i make listening experiment , with conventional scientific datas, for example Helmholtz acoustic, and sometimes taking my own way, for exemple investigating the effect of shungite on my electrical grid at low cost...

What do you call riding like idiot in the traffic? and putting others at risk in my case?

Communicating cheap way to experiment and improve the system is not putting others at risk, but limiting the illusion of consumerism and contesting with some fact the linear relation between price and S.Q.


Your metaphor is right for part, in any group, there exist poser, and squid and true pro....But also the solitary out of the crowd persona....The stranger...And you miss it... Why?

Anyway your metaphor is only a tool to simplify human relations in a group and classify very different humans in three categories FOR YOUR OWN PURPOSE AND AGENDA...I add here the category that was missing...The most important category for Hollywood...The stranger to any group....

I dont work with simplistic metaphors in my life simply because in your group i am the man who take his motorcycle solitary and i dont speak to group members but to human on a one to one basis always....

I hate groups and crowds...The group mentality, motorcycles or of any other mass mentality... I never had a boss in all my life... I go my way....I worked all my life without anyone beside me.... But understand me right i like people on a one to one basis...Any herd mentality will make me quit the game....I am a sorcerer not a sheep classified in your limited 3 categories list...

In a virtual audio thread we must take the risk to speak to many and be simplisticly categorized...

This post was just to correct for the more important missing category.... The most important one by the way....The stranger....Who is in any list you will make for your use but is truely in none....

The fact that precisely this category was lacking from your list indicate much about yourself no ?

My best to you....

Provocative premise?  He could have said "Mono always beats stereo!"  Or 2+2=5.   Regardless, I'd guess most who care about their sound would agree the premise is incorrect generally speaking.

Let's say most rooms will benefit from acoustic treatment. Not treating a room that sounds 'fine to me' will still probably always make it sound better. And big bass spikes are hard to dispel without treatment of some sort. 

There are plenty of sneaky ways to treat a 'living room' system that don't wreck the esthetics. Or you live with a bit less; life does not end. With over 150 sq ft of window glass in a 21x17 room, and art on the walls, by necessity I use DSP room correction. With speakers on long wall and tweeters out 50" my 8ft triangle is somewhat near-field with a large opening behind the listening chair.

The DSP removes all bass spikes (room and speaker created). I use just a single EQ curve, only to reduce brightness due to reflection (although far off in arrival ms). The difference is more than noticeable; gone are the bass booms and louder treble. That and the untreated room give me near flat frequency response from 30-16k. Removing the correction makes one cringe.  I like the sound of music with a flat system; others do not.

I have no doubt additional acoustical treatments would improve the room. Mahgister is dragging me into his camp mentally (thanks, I guess). If I was using a cave-like 12x20x8 basement room I could go wild experimenting but I'm totally unwilling to blow off my daytime rky mtn views since I'm retired.

Any good aps that can evaluate room accoustics?

saw one called clapIR but didnt understand graphs created

I don’t know that I have enough data to agree or disagree with the assertion of ’most rooms’, but my roughly hexagonal shaped room even with a bed in the room needed one acoustic panel on the 1st reflection point on the left to balance out the sound from the left and right speakers.

Know what, that one acoustic panel transformed my room into one of the best sounding rooms I’ve heard anywhere.

@jumia For apps that can evaluate room acoustics, your own ears are pretty good. Once you hear a good sounding room it's easier to hear when a room doesn't sound right.