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3D lifelike sound and impeccable measurements - mutually exclusive???

The more I investigate gear the more it seems that it’s easy to get organic involving sound with flesh and body and a 3D immersive soundstage with the right matching of components but it also seems like it necessitates choosing some components that don’t measure well/add colorations/even order harmonics etc My question is are there components (specifically amps/preamps and integrateds) are out there that combine great measurements and in your mind also have that organic immersive sound that really helps many of us get more emotionally involved in the music or are these qualities mutually exclusive? 
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jond
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I can't imagine sitting listening to a great immersive 3D sounding system and then worrying about whether it measures well or not.
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+1 jond
mrklas
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Your experience’s are a point in time. And you are listening for the experience right?
Measurements are useful for narrowing down options and your preference then is the litmus test in my opinion 
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3D lifelike sound and impeccable measurements
as jond said... 

the first is the objective for enjoying our music ... the second is purely incidental and i couldn’t care less
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By your answer you are saying that you believe they are exclusive and you pick one or the other. 

No, not me. I already know measurements are irrelevant. It is nothing to do with me. It is nothing to do with being mutually exclusive. That is your game, not mine. What I said is not some word game. You are the one asking about "impeccable measurements" not me. I don't even know what "impeccable measurements" would be. 

Is 200 watts impeccable? What about 2? Is -85dB S/N impeccable? Or do we need to be -110dB? You throw "impeccable measurements" out there as if it's something anyone knows. Trust me, know one does! My guess is you yourself don't even know what your own "impeccable measurements" are. 

Point I am trying to make, what I am really saying, stop asking us and think it through for yourself. My questions are meant for you to answer for yourself:

Do you want what sounds good? Or what measures good?

No one can answer these questions but you. 
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