New turntable: TW or Obama?


About to take the plunge on a table to replace my venerable SOTA Star/SME V.

Top contenders: TW Acustic Raven LS or a Kuzma Stabi R with wood base.  Arm options are the TW 10.5 on the former, or something else.  Would likely get the Kuzma 4 point for the latter.

Anyone with experience and an opinion on these analog tables?

Cost wise they are similar, both under $20K.

Thanks!
bobbydd
I always forget that audiophiles span the political spectrum, as road******'s post reminds me.

Things are getting too political here for me.  Lighten up and enjoy the music.  Cya.
Have you looked at the Acoustic Solid Royal Turntable it is in your price range at $16k or some of the Transrotor turntables.
*hmm*  I don't approve of torching anyones' system, nor their neighborhoods.....but then, Changes are seldom merely annoying.

...and the bigger ones are always....difficult....

And I'd be secretly pleased to use a pair of Obama chopsticks.  😏

Good listening with the new TT, whichever 'side' you go with....;)
Since mijostyn mentions the Ref 2...I figured I'd chime in and say I love mine. I use the Ref 313 VTA. My guess is the Stabi R and M both outsell the Ref 2 by a pretty wide margin. Perhaps it's due to the Ref being in production so long, and/or many wanting a non-suspended table. I was speaking to a close confidant today and mentioning I want to ad a budget oriented table. He said there's nothing that can outperform a Pipe Bomb with it's standard Unipivot arm for the money. 
@bobbydd
From a performance point of view, i.e. extracting infomration from the vinyl, the Kuzma 4point + nig Kuzma would do the job.
This said, there mey be other factors influencing your purchase decision.
I also hope that the new table will sound even better, hence the purpose of this thread.
 Both the Kuzma-4point & the TW combo will outperform your SOTA /sme5.
BTW, that SOTA (/sme5) is excellent in & of itself: have you considered changing the sme5 with something different?