Synergistic calls out Audioholics


Curious to see what Gene does...

https://youtu.be/PKLuLfj2iC4


perkri
prof2,732 posts04-15-2021 12:30am
If you were provided with a full spec sheet of any/all products, would you be able to translate those specs into something meaningful? Something you could interpret and explain to someone else that “these should sound like this because of that..”

If a product is claimed to have altered an audio signal to an audible degree, there should be measurable differences in the audio signal with and without the product in use. It makes sense then to ask a claimant to show measurable differences in an audio signal, for frequency response, distortion, whatever, to a degree that suggests it’s audibility. It would be even better if it was established as audible under blinded conditions.


What you have stated should be evident Prof, but unfortunately, 20 plus years of a misinformation campaign coupled with a target audience without the background for defence, nor willingness has created inertia that is hard to change.

It is easier to make a false claim about one side, i.e. claiming they are using measurements to define preference, or to make a scientifically unfounded claim, i.e. claims about our not fully understanding sound, when we are talking about an electrical signal, whether it will become sound or not.

If you claim a power cable or interconnect reduces the noise floor, that is something easily verified. An accurate conclusion can be drawn on audibility. A similar claim could be made about distortion and speaker cables. If you claim that RF interference generates noise in digital connections, it is really quite easy to both prove this and show how your cable fixes the problem.  We are not even talking about whether the effect is audible or not, we are talking proving simple technical claims.  I have a very hard time accepting that proving cable maker technical claims will hurt their business. If anything, it should open up new markets.   Now imagine if you proved with listening tests that not only can you detect the changes, but they are audible?


I use SR purely as an example here, but don't people find it strange that SR, in all their videos, only has one set of speakers, one set (however complex) of electronics?   If cables make a difference, certainly there are aspects of interaction between components that must be taken into account?  Even end users accept this. Shouldn't SR have a whole range of speakers and electronics that they need to test with to either tune for that electronics / speaker, or at least to provide the best average improvement?   I do find this one of the more telling aspects.
sbayne400 posts04-16-2021 12:21pmdletch2 - When Gene contacted SR’s dealers and distributors directly that is when it became actionable. Nothing to do with advertising, being an "activist" or arguing on chat boards.


Activist groups directly contact companies every single day to influence them away from doing business with other companies. It happens all the time. They don't get sued because they are communicating factual information. 

dletch2 - Legally, you are not understanding what has occurred. Trying to dissuade a CONSUMER from buying a product is much different legally from contacting a companies’ DEALERS AND DISTRIBUTORS with the INTENT of inflicting economic damage on that company. A similar claim is Intentional Interference with a Business Contract. If Gene has competent legal counsel I'm sure he will find out the difference soon.
sbayne400 posts04-16-2021 12:29pmRight, this is pretty minor as far as the dollar amounts involved. Intentional interference claims are fairly common amongst larger corporations wherein hundreds of millions of dollars are at issue.


These are often contractual interference and when really big, end up as anti-trust.  Things like coerced exclusivity, interfering in supply chains, etc.  Business interference usually comes from a communicated falsehood, i.e. spreading lies about a competitor.  The aspect of privilege could come into play. I.e. was it reasonable to contact these people?  Typically that is a matter of if you are a competitor, you have leeway to divert business your way, but within limits.  We aren't going to solve this here.

Of course the result of the challenge is now two busy threads here including one started by Mr. Denney of SR.

They say any publicity is good publicity as long as you can keep on denying the charges.

There is that karma thing though, but I predict SR will see more sales and more profit now as a result of free publicity here and there will be nothing more in regards to objective measurements provided so no additional costs or overhead incurred. Profits!!!! Smart!

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