I appreciate ATC, but with my Synthesis ownership experience I would not currently be interested in an even more studio monitor type sound. ATC is more coherent than the JBLs, and imo represents dynamics at least as well. What I do not enjoy is the concentrated energy between and just forward of the speakers. It is a little much for me in retrospect. I would characterize ATC as a bit opaque of neutral, which is hard to define. The drivers are thickly coated. The 4367s in contrast are more articulate but more laid back with a more common audiophile type, big soundstage.
ATC SCM150 (or JBL Synthesis) (or JBL vintage) (or new Klipsch Jubilee)
Hi. My name is Juan. I'm from Spain. Sorry for my horrible english...
It´s a pleasure to be on the Audiogon community.
Many months searching webs, forums, shows, videos, "expert" opinions, "commercial" opinions, sellers with "interests", sellers "without any interest"... Hi-Fi world is a long trip, a difficult trip with "shine" products and (at least) a five digit price... A jungle for rich men. A paradise for the new economies. Another "economic bubble"....
If you are a person like me, with little knowledge, it´s easy to be scared...
I'm looking to set up a hi-fi system. I'm using Qobuz streaming service (no CD´s and no vinyls).
I like so much ATC. Is one of the few brands that have all my trust. They are a legendary brand but most important, they are a brand that goes "against" the market. They are a brand focussed on the professional market and for them the most important is the sound.
I´m really interested on the SCM150 speakers (tower version). I have exchanged some messages with the technichal department of the brand, but I would like also to hear the expert opinion of the audiogon community.
Some questions. Thanks in advance for all your recommendations:
1) How would you describe ATC sound?? For me, they have the best mid of the market. Some people call this sound as "neutral fidelity". Neutral sounds (instead of warm) it doesn´t to have to be negative. On the contrary, is a virtue to my eyes. But in your opinion, it could be exccesively analytical?? Could cause fatigue??
2) What´s your opinion about ATC bass in general and the SCM150 bass in particular??
3) Active vs passive. Most of the people (it doesn´t surprise me) seem to prefer the active version or active sound. As you know, the SCM150 can go with the P6 amplifier (it doesn´t goes in this case on the loudspeaker box). What´s your opinion about this amplificaction in particular?? What´s your opinion in general about the active version?? It is your personal preference?? (there was a nice thread about this item: https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/atc-active-vs-passive). (audiotroy and lonemountain seem to know so much about this brand).
4) If I go with the active version I will need a preamplifier. You will go with Solid State instead or valves (the "particular" sound of valves could be counterrproductive with this speakers that reveal any imperfection and they are also speakers that need power)??
5) I see great combinations with Spectral pre. Some people also recommend Bricasti, Simaudio seems also to suits... I would like a pre that gives some "warm" and musical sound to compensate the neutrality of the ATC. What would be your recommendation?? Please specify brand and model. I want a nice piece at the level of the SCM150.
6) What´s your general opinion about ATC speakers?? It would be one of your first choices??
7) In the comparison with other "professional" brand as JBL Synthesis (K2 model for example) what would be your choice??
8) In the comparison with some JBL vintage models from JBL what would be your choice?? I´m talking specifically about Henrick Sound customs 4344 and 4351 (vertical version of the 4350). Any thought??
(webs Kenrick: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3A0nuJpz3NnPi2luPj41fA and https://www.facebook.com/Kenrick-Sound-244510272314291/ and http://jbl43.com/?mode=f3);
(model 4351: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYJFU2QoVI4);
(model 4344: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EfhG0hcTy0).
9) In the comparison with the new Klipsch Jubilee (I talked with Roy Delgado and they are supposed to be on the market at the end of the year) what would be your recommendation?? Yes, I know that are not yet on the market so no one has been able to hear them but as a horn technology and according to some other models (for example Kilspchorns) what we can expect?? Is Klipsch really at the level of ATC or the JBL´S.
Thanks so much to everyone. Your comments would be very helpful to me.
It´s a pleasure to be on the Audiogon community.
Many months searching webs, forums, shows, videos, "expert" opinions, "commercial" opinions, sellers with "interests", sellers "without any interest"... Hi-Fi world is a long trip, a difficult trip with "shine" products and (at least) a five digit price... A jungle for rich men. A paradise for the new economies. Another "economic bubble"....
If you are a person like me, with little knowledge, it´s easy to be scared...
I'm looking to set up a hi-fi system. I'm using Qobuz streaming service (no CD´s and no vinyls).
I like so much ATC. Is one of the few brands that have all my trust. They are a legendary brand but most important, they are a brand that goes "against" the market. They are a brand focussed on the professional market and for them the most important is the sound.
I´m really interested on the SCM150 speakers (tower version). I have exchanged some messages with the technichal department of the brand, but I would like also to hear the expert opinion of the audiogon community.
Some questions. Thanks in advance for all your recommendations:
1) How would you describe ATC sound?? For me, they have the best mid of the market. Some people call this sound as "neutral fidelity". Neutral sounds (instead of warm) it doesn´t to have to be negative. On the contrary, is a virtue to my eyes. But in your opinion, it could be exccesively analytical?? Could cause fatigue??
2) What´s your opinion about ATC bass in general and the SCM150 bass in particular??
3) Active vs passive. Most of the people (it doesn´t surprise me) seem to prefer the active version or active sound. As you know, the SCM150 can go with the P6 amplifier (it doesn´t goes in this case on the loudspeaker box). What´s your opinion about this amplificaction in particular?? What´s your opinion in general about the active version?? It is your personal preference?? (there was a nice thread about this item: https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/atc-active-vs-passive). (audiotroy and lonemountain seem to know so much about this brand).
4) If I go with the active version I will need a preamplifier. You will go with Solid State instead or valves (the "particular" sound of valves could be counterrproductive with this speakers that reveal any imperfection and they are also speakers that need power)??
5) I see great combinations with Spectral pre. Some people also recommend Bricasti, Simaudio seems also to suits... I would like a pre that gives some "warm" and musical sound to compensate the neutrality of the ATC. What would be your recommendation?? Please specify brand and model. I want a nice piece at the level of the SCM150.
6) What´s your general opinion about ATC speakers?? It would be one of your first choices??
7) In the comparison with other "professional" brand as JBL Synthesis (K2 model for example) what would be your choice??
8) In the comparison with some JBL vintage models from JBL what would be your choice?? I´m talking specifically about Henrick Sound customs 4344 and 4351 (vertical version of the 4350). Any thought??
(webs Kenrick: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3A0nuJpz3NnPi2luPj41fA and https://www.facebook.com/Kenrick-Sound-244510272314291/ and http://jbl43.com/?mode=f3);
(model 4351: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYJFU2QoVI4);
(model 4344: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EfhG0hcTy0).
9) In the comparison with the new Klipsch Jubilee (I talked with Roy Delgado and they are supposed to be on the market at the end of the year) what would be your recommendation?? Yes, I know that are not yet on the market so no one has been able to hear them but as a horn technology and according to some other models (for example Kilspchorns) what we can expect?? Is Klipsch really at the level of ATC or the JBL´S.
Thanks so much to everyone. Your comments would be very helpful to me.
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OK Juan, A speaker is only as good as the designer’s voicing and the listener’s ear. You you also need to consider the amplifier. One might say that speaker and amp are the “two hands clapping” in a system. The amplifier match is critical. If I were not going to buy ATC, I would buy Fyne F1-12 and a Luxman 509 integrated amp! I believe the Fyne speaker to be the evolution of the legendary Tannoy Westminster Royal which I lived with and loved for many years. As the Tannoy, the Fynes are easy to drive so the Class A 30 watts of the Luxman will be enough and sweet. The F1-12s are beautiful and designed by the people who previously worked at Tannoy. The Fyne speakers are highly thought of and sound like music. What is your budget?? |
ATC Active--but a smaller model (50 or 100) with a SWARM subwoofer system (http://www.audiokinesis.com/the-swarm-subwoofer-system-1.html) for better distribution of bass peaks and nulls. ATC SCA2 preamp or Benchmark LA4. |
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