The Absurdity of it All


50-60-70 year old ears stating with certainty that what they hear is proof positive of the efficacy of analog, uber-cables, tweaks...name your favorite latest and greatest audio "advancement." How many rock concerts under the bridge? Did we ever wear ear protection with our chain saws? Believe what you will, but hearing degrades with age and use and abuse. To pontificate authority while relying on damaged goods is akin to the 65 year old golfer believing his new $300 putter is going to improve his game. And his game MAY get better, but it is the belief that matters. Everything matters, but the brain matters the most.
jpwarren58
Are any of you seriously suggesting that your senses have improved after the age of 25? You can see, and smell, and touch, and taste better in your 50's, 60's, or 70's?! Really? 

So, of 5 senses, 4 are certainly down. Yet, some of you claim that you can hear better at 50+? That's, with all due respect, delusional. 

As a younger member here (just turned 40) and only being in the hobby for 10 years or so - I get JPWarren's point - some of you are so convinced that some latest breakthrough technology makes things so much better, but when questioned about it, the person claiming they can't hear a difference is ridiculed and told they 1) Can't hear 2) Their system sucks or 3) Their room or some other variable must be at play. Instead of, just maybe, that latest and greatest thing, really not having an impact. 

A lot of you think that cables make such a huge difference. But, where is the data? And I don't mean the objective measured tests (Where it's claimed it can't be measured) but just the observations? Where is the test in a room with uncut video where 10 out of 10 people can identify cable 1 or 2 being used each time? 

Is it really the 30 year old can't hear that well, or is it just maybe, the older guy wants to prove he isn't that gullible and has to put others down to justify what he perceives as being better since he spent so much? 





04-20-2021 11:42pmHow about being so dogmatic you bring up measurements, even though they were never mentioned, only ears.


Just completing the unspoken subtext here

@jpeters568


Not claiming we can hear better, just that we can listen better.

No one is claiming "Huge differences", just differences.

No one tweak is coming to shatter your audio experience, however, when all put together, they add up to something more.

You know, the whole is greater than the sum of its parts? And a big thing is just a lot of little things put together?

What of any of these tweaks have you tried?

And what are you doing on this forum if you are not open to experimenting with these things? Western empirical logic is not the be all and end all of existence...
@jpeters568

You are obviously a realist that doesn't fall for "subjectivity" of spending large amounts of cash wishing the tweak will actually deliver the audio nirvana that's advertised. The atmospheric conditions of the room will have more impact on the sound quality than a good quality 12 ga copper speaker cable. Ohms Law plays by a different set of rules than waves through a gas of variable density.
@Perki - totally respect your point and fair question. But I respectfully disagree with you - some do claim HUGE differences. And if one part can't be determined to be better, than how would the sum of those parts be better? (0 + 0 = 0.) If they can't be determined on their own, than how can a combination of them make it better? (I hope I was able to articulate that okay... If not, my apologies in advance.) 

And, I'm open to it. But, I have been bashed for my own experience which, is no change in my system. It's something wrong with my ears, or my 30k system, or my room - or my inexperience. I'm absolutely open to an A/B test. (And I have done them.... often times thinking I heard an initial improvement but, when blind tested, I can't tell.) 
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