The Absurdity of it All

dletch2"One day, a few will clue in to the fact that if all they chase are marketing claims and not real substantiated audible claims, then things will never get better and that they are part of the problem."

What we hear are real substantiated claims this seems to be the problem you're religion seems to struggle with which as others have observed, explained, and noted is that you think only you're blind tests reveal what people hear!  You're blind tests have shown to be flawed too and not scientific but I'm sure your feel safe in your religion.

@edgewound.  
You didn’t address why you have taken it upon yourself to save us all from ourselves?

And that we are somehow incapable of listening/deciding for ourselves?

Or if you have tried tweaks at home in your own system?

But you know better than us what we can hear...

@dletch2   
You seem to really have a problem with marketing?

Ive spent the bulk of my working life in the advertising industry. At the best, I’m helping to inform people about something that can somehow help them in their day to day lives. At the worst, I’m trying to convince someone of the importance of something they have zero need for.

Marketing claims, and the hype that goes along with them, are like water off a ducks back to me.

At the worst, I’m trying to convince someone of the importance of something they have zero need for.

Marketing claims, and the hype that goes along with them, are like water off a ducks back to me.

Bingo. Truth really doesn't matter to a marketer that gets paid to convince people to buy stuff that gives no objective benefit. 

Thanks for being honest.

@Perki - I dabbled in audio about 10 years ago. I had standard, crappy, 18 gauge cable from Home Depot for my stereo system. I bought some cheap Focals - and was told to upgrade cables, and I heard nothing different. I was 30. I was almost abused by "objective" statements of certainty that these tweaks would come together to be better. 

But they didn't. I was ridiculed for a crappy system. Or that I couldn't hear. I was discouraged, and thought, maybe it is me? 

And it turns out - it's not me. My hearing, at 40 years old, is exceptional. My system today which is upwards of 30k, isn't cheap or crappy. Can I say I have plugged in 10k cables into my system - no. But have I tried tweaks, yeah. Did any of them work? No... 

And, you raise a great point! It's not my money being spent if someone wants this vs. that! They can buy whatever they wish! It's the declarative statements made though, your system stinks unless you have product 1, 2, or 3 in it. That's where things I think go too far. Especially if it can't be objectively measured. Buy what makes you or others happy! But, i just ask they don't dump on others when they don't hear a difference. 

I'll close this out with two thoughts. The first is a statement that "I don't hear as well, but I listen better." - that's akin to saying I can't taste as well, but I eat better. WTH does that mean? 

And 2 - we do all agree that frequency response drops with age. But, thankfully, most music isn't above 10khz. But, it's isolating something - it's hearing that change, or where an object comes from, that too, is affected by age. (As we age, it's harder to hear in a crowded restaurant for example.) To the point of the OP - I think that's where things get harder to distinguish. And where I think statements being made with a lot of force, especially when it comes to someone new in this hobby, are detrimental to the hobby. 

I don't know - but - if you're still reading this - i do look forward to your thoughts on it.