bobandcindy10162 posts04-23-2021 9:43pmSince audio is an AC waveform; you hear EXACTLY the same thing as before you swapped ends.
No. You hear the same thing because the differences in direction are too small. AC has nothing to do with it.
What do we hear when we change the direction of a wire?
No. You hear the same thing because the differences in direction are too small. AC has nothing to do with it. |
Reality is never what we assumed it is.... Science exist and demonstrate it for us...With new concepts but also new methods of investigation... «Are wind farms harmful to humans? Some believe so, others refute this; this controversial topic makes emotions run high. To give the debate more objectivity, an international team of experts dealt with the fundamentals of hearing in the lower limit range of the audible frequency range (i.e. infrasound), but also in the upper limit range (i.e. ultrasound). The project, which is part of the European Metrology Research Programme (EMRP), was coordinated by the Physikalisch-Technische Bundesanstalt (PTB). At PTB, not only acoustics experts, but also experts from the fields of biomagnetism (MEG) and functional magnetic resonance imaging (fMRI) were involved in the research activities. They have found out that humans can hear sounds lower than had previously been assumed. And the mechanisms of sound perception are much more complex than previously thought.» https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/07/150710123506.htm This is not the vulgarisation above but the real paper : https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0174420 All that prove NOTHING for the audible detection of wire direction for sure... But knowing that human can hear 8 hertz sound and above in the higher frequencies and knowing that the neural infrastructure of hearing implicate some area of the brain normally not associated with hearing says a lot.... Then apriori ridiculizing claim or absolute negation about the real limits of hearing in humans is serious... We dont know.... We dont know what hearing IS.... We sont know what a sound IS... We use water in very sophisticated technology and we dont know what water is.... Saying water is H2O is not a complete explanation and certainly not an understanding... We use light in laser technology but we dont know what light is... We study the prime numbes and use them with very complicate and deep mathematical tools but we absolutely dont know what prime numbers are.... Then we must relax and think.... And making stupid joke while pretending we know something is child play... The subject of this thread interest me a lot but i dont have any opinion for or against wire direction... It is an experiment.... at least in thinking....It is interesting.... It is related to deep questions... Idiots beware.... |
More seriously now and perhaps nearer to our debate this is extraordinary: «We’ve all heard of Heisenberg’s Uncertainty Principle. That puts a fundamental limit on the accuracy with which position and momentum of a particle can be simultaneously known. The more precision for one, the less for the other. There’s a similar idea in acoustics, called the Fourier Uncertainty Principle. Fourier Analysis, a commonly used mathematical method of deconstructing complex waves into their components, is the basis of this uncertainty principle. Unlike Heisenberg’s, it represents not an intrinsic property of the source, but a limit on the capabilities of linear algorithms to analyze it. https://evolutionnews.org/2013/02/human_hearing_o/ This is the vulgarisation.... The real article is this: https://journals.aps.org/prl/abstract/10.1103/PhysRevLett.110.044301 All this is spectacular example of limitations alleged in the past and overcome.... We dont know what sound IS... We dont understand human hearing .... But science go on enlightening us about deepest and deepest imprevisible discoveries... |
what is the adress of this new site: "smellogon" ?Seriously, Some things cannot be measured as accurately as bio sense. Example, a dogs smell is more sensitive than any current instrument. Because it cannot be measured does not mean it is not there. is this is from this site: http://vosshall.rockefeller.edu/assets/file/BushdidScience2014.pdf Or perhaps this one on forgotten abilities: https://www.nature.com/articles/nn1819 Perhaps we must create Smellogon.com ourself and link it to audiogon... Finally this article about polynesian "primitive" navigators about to "see" their routes around islands very afar in the pacific is astounding about the INTERNAL GPS of human and say a lot about underestimating the perception of humans https://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/20/magazine/the-secrets-of-the-wave-pilots.html an extract of this article that speak volume about the understimated human perceotive abilities.... : «Genz met Alson Kelen and Korent Joel in Majuro in 2005, when Genz was 28. A soft-spoken, freckled Wisconsinite and former Peace Corps volunteer who grew up sailing with his father, Genz was then studying for a doctorate in anthropology at the University of Hawaii. His adviser there, Ben Finney, was an anthropologist who helped lead the voyage of Hokulea, a replica Polynesian sailing canoe, from Hawaii to Tahiti and back in 1976; the success of the trip, which involved no modern instrumentation and was meant to prove the efficacy of indigenous ships and navigational methods, stirred a resurgence of native Hawaiian language, music, hula and crafts. Joel and Kelen dreamed of a similar revival for Marshallese sailing — the only way, they figured, for wave-piloting to endure — and contacted Finney for guidance. But Finney was nearing retirement, so he suggested that Genz go in his stead. With their chief’s blessing, Joel and Kelen offered Genz rare access, with one provision: He would not learn wave-piloting himself; he would simply document Kelen’s training. Joel immediately asked Genz to bring scientists to the Marshalls who could help Joel understand the mechanics of the waves he knew only by feel — especially one called di lep, or backbone, the foundation of wave-piloting, which (in ri-meto lore) ran between atolls like a road. Joel’s grandfather had taught him to feel the di lep at the Rongelap reef: He would lie on his back in a canoe, blindfolded, while the old man dragged him around the coral, letting him experience how it changed the movement of the waves. But when Joel took Genz out in the Pacific on borrowed yachts and told him they were encountering the di lep, he couldn’t feel it. Kelen said he couldn’t, either. When oceanographers from the University of Hawaii came to look for it, their equipment failed to detect it. The idea of a wave-road between islands, they told Genz, made no sense. Privately, Genz began to fear that the di lep was imaginary, that wave-piloting was already extinct. On one research trip in 2006, when Korent Joel went below deck to take a nap, Genz changed the yacht’s course. When Joel awoke, Genz kept Joel away from the GPS device, and to the relief of them both, Joel directed the boat toward land. Later, he also passed his ri-meto test, judged by his chief, with Genz and Kelen crewing. Worlds away, Huth, a worrier by nature, had become convinced that preserving mankind’s ability to way-find without technology was not just an abstract mental exercise but also a matter of life and death. In 2003, while kayaking alone in Nantucket Sound, fog descended, and Huth — spring-loaded and boyish, with a near-photographic memory — found his way home using local landmarks, the wind and the direction of the swells. Later, he learned that two young undergraduates, out paddling in the same fog, had become disoriented and drowned. This prompted him to begin teaching a class on primitive navigation techniques. When Huth met Genz at an academic conference in 2012 and described the methodology of his search for the Higgs boson and dark energy — subtracting dominant wave signals from a field, until a much subtler signal appears underneath — Genz told him about the di lep, and it captured Huth’s imagination. If it was real, and if it really ran back and forth between islands, its behavior was unknown to physics and would require a supercomputer to model. That a person might be able to sense it bodily amid the cacophony generated by other ocean phenomena was astonishing. Huth began creating possible di lep simulations in his free time and recruited van Vledder’s help. Initially, the most puzzling detail of Genz’s translation of Joel’s description was his claim that the di lep connected each atoll and island to all 33 others. That would yield 561 paths, far too many for even the most adept wave pilot to memorize. Most of what we know about ocean waves and currents — including what will happen to coastlines as climate change leads to higher sea levels (of special concern to the low-lying Netherlands and Marshall Islands) — comes from models that use global wind and bathymetry data to simulate what wave patterns probably look like at a given place and time. Our understanding of wave mechanics, on which those models are based, is wildly incomplete. To improve them, experts must constantly check their assumptions with measurements and observations. Perhaps, Huth and van Vledder thought, there were di leps in every ocean, invisible roads that no one was seeing because they didn’t know to look.... » |