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Intimate, warm and holographic alternative

Me another time... Sorry for the inconveniences.

Yes, recently I started a discussion here with the title: " ATC SCM150 (or JBL Synthesis) (or JBL vintage) (or new Klipsch Jubilee)". See: https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/atc-scm150-or-jbl-synthesis-or-jbl-vintage-or-new-klipsch-jub...
Last post from ohlala, advising that studio monitor type sound is not the most "enjoyable" for him, was revealing. I could hear yesterday an SCM20 (yes, I know it´s not comparable in many aspects with the SCM150) but the type of sound have not convinced me.

So now I´m more on the warm side, looking for a intimate and holographic sound with great scene. Really useful some old threadas about this, especially: https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/seeking-advice-on-speakers-that-create-an-intimate-2-channel-... 

I would like to hear personal opinions and experiences about the best speakers that give that musical sensation in which the devices "disappear". Suggestions, brand, models...

I was searching some brands and models and here are some that have caught my attention:

- Gershman Acoustics: Avant Garde
- Legacy Audio: Aeris + Wavelet
- Devore Fidelity: Orangutan O/96 (fatigue??; little too "in your face"??; fleshy bass??)
- Harbeth: 40.3 XD (not a true rock and roll speaker??)
- Klipsch
- Spendor
- Tannoy

Listening position is 9 feet from the speakers. My room is big: 41 square meters. I´m worried about bass. I hear a lot of music but specially rock, so I would like something capable.

Thanks so much to everyone. You are very helpful.

milhomes
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audioguy85
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Building a system is only as complicated as you make it😬....
Good clean power, a good amplifier/integrated matched to you speakers (considering impedance & efficiency and whether they have a warm, neutral or cold sound characteristics), quality cabling, a properly set up turntable/cartridge, a treated room ( no, i do not mean crazy sh#t hanging from walls and ceilings), proper speaker placement...thats it! It is not rocket science! Aaaand....no...you do not need a sub if you bought the right pair of speakers in the first place. Save the subs for the home theater please . You are destroying what the designer, engineer, builder, whatever....intended in the manufacturing of the speaker, why would you want to do that? Smh
jkf011
292 posts
 
Not sure you have the power but you are, to me, describing the Magnepan sound. Big room so 1.7i or bigger. Superb soundstage and transparency but need power. Love my 1.7is. I have a big open room so had to go the 2 sub route but if you have walls behind the speakers you'll have great bass a d likely won't need subs. Superb value too.  
lemonhaze
417 posts
 
Room treatment is required to achieve your stated desire : " intimate and holographic sound with great scene"  Without treatment you could find yourself on the downward spiral of endlessly changing speakers. After finding a warm and less offensive speaker you may then decide to add some treatment and now find the chosen speaker is lacking detail and a bit dull, so back to searching for another speaker.

I have witnessed the above scenario with friends. I have visited them with my mic. and computer, measured the room, (it's easy - the computer does it) and shown them the horrible performance of their room. Occasionally they agree to experiment with dragging a couple of mattresses into the listening room and then remeasure and see and hear the difference which usually amazes all in the room. Using broad-band absorption in the correct places works a lot better than a mattress and avoids someone bored with your sound from taking a snooze on said mattress.

A few posters have suggested speakers that 'do not need subs'  I disagree. Perhaps these guys have never heard the benefit of a sub or subs properly set up. Apart from improving bass it improves the entire spectrum. Plenty of reports on how this is possible on the net.
coppy777
150 posts
 
Wilsons... as far up the line as you can afford starting in your room with Yvette.  
Consider used.  Reasonably efficient, world class sound.

Buy nothing you haven't heard.  Enjoy the selection process.
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ihcho
612 posts
 
Go for your very first list: Gershman. It is particularly good for acoustic jazz, voice, and orchestral music. True to the real sound.The only catch is it is 87dB and you would need a very clean powerful amp to drive the speakers. Such amps can be hard to find at under 5k.
I’m driving my Gershman with Plinius SA102. 
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