How far over the limit can I go


I am currently just past the recommended 2000 tube life on my power amp. (Audio Research Ref 110).  It still sounds glorious. Am I playing with fire here?  Or, will I notice some degradation in sound that will prompt the re-tube.  I think it's about $1,000 to retube.  

Thanks guys!!!
jemmer01
Oh the joy of tubes.

Was just listening to a copy of Joni Mitchells "Mingus"I picked up earlier today.

Last track on side two.

Distortion.

Thought I had a bad pressing.

Lifted the arm, played the last track again to see. 

Left channel dead.

Checked to see if I had pulled a speaker wire or an interconnect - was moving gear around.

Then I noticed the lovely glow of an EL34 that was red plating.

Ugh...

Thankfully, I had a back up set of tubes ready to go if something failed.

Had a set of Winged 'C' tubes that lasted forever a bunch of years ago. These Gold Lions I've been using have a terrible failure rate, as do the Psvane EL34PH replicas that I bought a couple of years ago.

Sound wonderful! Just don't last...

Basic Tung Sol EL35B as back up.

Next set of tubes will be the Winged 'C' again.

So yeah, your tubes could fail tomorrow, or not.

If, there is a risk of a cascading effect from a failed tube, then see if there is anyone near by with a tester and check the state of your tubes.

But, a back up set is always a good idea. A little inventory can't hurt.


I would contact somebody like Upscale Audio or Brent Jesse let them know what type of system you have and the tubes you are currently using and let them recommend some NOS tubes not only will you be replacing your tubes but you will also experience a much better sound. Good luck
Another silly post with a simple obvious answer.
If you can't hear any difference why change the tubes???
You gain nothing.
But by all means keep a spare set waiting for the day.
Another silly post with a simple obvious answer.
If you can’t hear any difference why change the tubes???
You gain nothing.
But by all means keep a spare set waiting for the day.

yes this is generally sound logic with most tube amps but arc tube amps run the risk of needing a repair to bias resistors and/or the circuit board area near it, if a power tube has a ’hard fail’ - despite the wonderful sound of these amps, this is one of the issues arc amp users face, and thus, typically users replace tubes before they are close to being totally shot

I would contact somebody like Upscale Audio or Brent Jesse let them know what type of system you have and the tubes you are currently using and let them recommend some NOS tubes not only will you be replacing your tubes but you will also experience a much better sound.

nos power tubes are not a practical option with modern arc tube amps - we are talking modern day kt120 or kt150’s which the amps are tuned for driving, for maximum power and transparency

but kevin deal or jim mcshane will sell you properly screened and burned in sets of these for the ref110 upon request - there were shortages of these through last year when covid hit but as of late in 2020 supplies started catching up