Holographic Soundstage ?


I would like to share my observation and hopefully get some input from people who have the same interest.

My system consist of Wharfedale Opus 3 , Krell KRC-3 preamp, Krell KSA 150 amp, Chord Qutest DAC and a computer with JCAT USB EX running Roon/with LPSU from HDPlex.
I mainly like holographic soundstage and would be able to achieve a very good 3D soundstaging with my current Krell setup.
I decided to try out tube amp a couple days ago because I read through the internet and everybody told me that tube amp always have better holographic soundstage and 3D imaging comparing to SS amp.
So I order a Raven Blackhawk MK3 from Raven audio with 45 days home trial just to try it out. I was expecting a very holographic soundstage that will blow my Krell out of the water.
Well, I was so WRONG. The Krell combo actually has a deeper and wider soundstage comparing to the Raven.
The Raven also has some very weak bass comparing to the Krell which is more punchy and tonally rich textured bass.
I cannot understand why it happens. I am always under the impression that tube amp will always provide more holographic soundstage. Obviously, In my set up the Krell is superior when it come to 3 dimensionality.

I will keeping trying out the Raven Blackhawk in the next couple of weeks and if things are not improved. I am ready to return the Raven and perhaps trying out the other tube amps (or solid state amps) that can beat the Krell combo.

If any one has some idea of such a product, please let me know. I am looking for an upgrade right now.

viethluu
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@mahgister,


I know you like to tinker and I see a computer on that desk that perhaps can generate some delayed signals. You may enjoy this experiment from Linkwitz:


https://www.linkwitzlab.com/Watson/watson.htm


He has a fair number of good easy to understand articles on how we perceive location as well.

Thanks for this interesting link....





I said after learning about crosstalk in 2 channel playback that you may want to pull out those headphones. You have not done the first step yet, and already making conclusions about the second step.


https://smyth-research.com/ https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1959366850/realiser-a16-real-3d-audio-headphone-processor


I will leave the research on the rest up to you.
I already know about this technology only 6,000 canadian dollars... 😊

Even if it could beĀ  better than what i have, like having a real very good 5 channel erasing completely the speakers in a virtual space, it is too much money for me...

And i am proud of my " mechanical equalizer" result at peanuts cost...

But think about that , i listen to orchestral or piano classical and the instruments are already in my room....

Thanks to psychoacoustic...

Then..... I never doubt that exist better gear than mine.... Or better way to use headphones like the Smyth realizer...

But with basic acoustic i smile listening any system at any price on youtube....Some are better than mine but not with an ocean between me and them...

The most important factor is not quality, it is the ratio Quality/price....

i dont want the best because i cannot afford it...

I want the best ratio quality/price and i have it already at 500 bucks...


This is why i was interested by psychoacoustic..... I develop my idea discussing with you when you argued about imaging, not realizing that acoustic is even more important than speakers specs...it was my impression then.... I dont know you then perhaps i am wrong...

i decided to use Helmholtz ideas with the 3 japan researchers experiments results with timing thresholds i read at this time...

i succeed...

My headphones (without the 6000 bucks Smyth realizer for sure) will stay in my drawer....


Anyway thank you for your kind answer and theinteresting promisingĀ  link....

My best to you....
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i get generally good results using a pair of compact Mirage Omnis with their output bouncing off the ceiling near the rear-side of the listening room, driven by a 50 watt stereo integrated amp with the bass and treble turned down, this is essential for not messing with the front channel [Thiel cs.5] speakers' timbre and imaging. i use a Akai universal surround box with decorrelated surround signal to process the rear-channel signal. it really shines on pop recordings with a dense difference signal, such as "Oxygene," or the works of Isao Tomita; and classical recordings made in big spaces. it is an amazing thing that 4 speakers placed optimally in my room can do this soundaround "disappearing act." it is just sound, i close my eyes and can't tell where the sound is coming from as discrete speaker-sources.Ā