I'm here for the sharing, not the snobery


Just a quick note.  Things around here on Audiogon have been interesting over the past couple of weeks as I've watched a number of trolls shift the tenor of the discussions.

I wanted to say that I fully support information sharing, doing things ourselves, experimentation and ways to broaden who is among us.

The idea that you are or are not an audiophile based on what you have spent, or what exclusive line of products you have purchased is not one I want to support.  We should find ways to share, not exclude our passion and grow our dwindling numbers.

Building kits and systems with the younger generation is a fantastic way of getting them into STEM as well as into audio, not to mention builds light years worth of knowledge in very little time.  As I've said before, our hobby was built by experimenters, tinkerers and lovers of music much more so than by lovers of spending.

I'll support inclusive, fact based discussions and those who are intellectually curious every time I can.
erik_squires
If all text or messages that surround the idea of measurements being a ’god’ that all ears must bow down in front of... are all disallowed...

...then...it is likely that the vast majority, possibly 90% or more.. of all contentious and viciously worded posts on a given audio forum will cease and desist. Probably permanently.

As people can hear better than the current crop of measurement methodology can account for.

And there really isn’t anything more to say.

As... anything else, if properly oriented to the post’s meaning...is just a complex long winded data and reference packed unfolding of what the above post means. Pages and pages of text to lay it all out.

If you require all that text and data, then dig it out yourself, it’s all out there. I’m not your professor, or whatever --- I owe you nothing. you owe the rest of us your quiet contemplation as you get up to speed. if you can’t get up to speed, then stay out of the discussion.

if the means and the way of such points in logic in data - are beyond you, then shut your yap and leave the rest of us in peace. find another forum, Mr recent (probably from audioholics) troll.

It is important to understand and tha a functional democracy does not allow for subversive interference to be allowed or take place. Democracy does not mean a mosh pit or free for all. that's the animal pit.

Like the monolithic nature of a cult, or movement, democracy still has to watch for... and cut out, like the cancer it is... any things (participants) that are found to be purposely inserted into the fray, as methods of interference and disruption of the primary idea and act of democratic ideals within the context of what the situation.. or in this case, what the forum stands for and tries to be....

I dont know about this forum, but if you are talking about an actual functional democracy, I believe subversive interference is necessary and at times should be encouraged. I am not talking about fake news, but rather ideas and ideals. Because, after all, is this your democracy or mine?
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If all text or messages that surround the idea of measurements being a ’god’ that all ears must bow down in front of... are all disallowed...


Absolutely no one has said this.  We are saying that a measurement is not perception and that we should not claim them as even being related unless we can back it up somewhere.  It is a lot easier to show things are related than to prove they are not.  That's just the nature of things.

Also, while dealing with straw men, no one is denying or judging anyone for buying half a billion dollar speaker systems.  Rather I am saying that whether you are or are not an audiophile has no connection to how much you spent.  If you feel attacked by this statement, that's not on me.

Erik