So you think wire conductors in cables are directional? Think again...


Here is a very relevant discussion among physicists about the directionality...the way signal and electrons should flow... based on conductor orientation. Some esoteric, high-end manufacturers say they listen to each conductor to see which way the signal should flow for the best audio quality.

Read this discussion. Will it make you rethink what you’re being told and sold?

https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/is-a-copper-conductor-directional.975195/
edgewound
"By participating in a discussion regarding the existence of God you have proved you believe God".


“The law of gravity and gravity itself did not exist before Isaac Newton." ...and what that means is that that law of gravity exists nowhere except in people's heads! It 's a ghost!"
Mind has no matter or energy but they can't escape its predominance over everything they do. Logic exists in the mind. numbers exist only in the mind. I don't get upset when scientists say that ghosts exist in the mind. it's that only that gets me. science is only in your mind too, it's just that that doesn't make it bad. or ghosts either."
Laws of nature are human inventions, like ghosts. Law of logic, of mathematics are also human inventions, like ghosts."
...we see what we see because these ghosts show it to us, ghosts of Moses and Christ and the Buddha, and Plato, and Descartes, and Rousseau and Jefferson and Lincoln, on and on and on. Isaac Newton is a very good ghost. One of the best. Your common sense is nothing more than the voices of thousands and thousands of these ghosts from the past.”

Robert M. Pirsig, Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance: An Inquiry Into Values


General relativity, also known as the general theory of relativity, is the geometric theory of gravitation published by Albert Einstein in 1915 and is the current description of gravitation in modern physics. General relativity generalizes special relativity and refines Newton's law of universal gravitation, providing a unified description of gravity as a geometric property of space and time or four-dimensional spacetime. In particular, the curvature of spacetime is directly related to the energy and momentum of whatever matter and radiation are present. The relation is specified by the Einstein field equations, a system of partial differential equations.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_relativity


The original theory of MOND by Milgrom was developed in 1983 as an alternative to "dark matter". Departures from Newton's law of gravitation are governed by an acceleration scale, not a distance scale. MOND successfully explains the Tully-Fisher observation that the luminosity of a galaxy should scale as the fourth power of the rotation speed. It also explains why the rotation discrepancy in dwarf galaxies is particularly large.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternatives_to_general_relativity#Relativistic_MOND

Damn!  Now I don't even know if I should believe in God or these so called scientists :-)


A biblical scholar translating an ancient Hebrew text would be far more believable than any of these wire pundits!
This sickening BS again?

You know, I really enjoy coming to this sight.

From time to time I find some very interesting topics and points of view to consider. I even learn a thing or two from those who have something of value to offer.

And then their are the ones that have to keep rehashing old crap that has been beat to death. Especially where you know this thread will go.

Give it a rest. 
Brilliant analogy Miller
But it destroys your position.

The car is not moving or changing shape.  But an intermediate effect makes it look like it is.

But the car is still not moving or changing shape.
It is just an induced error in the viewer's perception.

@andy2 wrote about Insertion Loss. I was curious, so I spent some time reading about it. He’s right: There are two objective measurements, Insertion Loss and Return Loss, that measure signal attenuation in metal and fiber cables. These are evidently well-understood phenomena that are commonly measured.

He’s also right that Insertion Loss and Return Loss show different results depending upon which end of the cable the measurements are taken from. These two measurable parameters clearly show a difference in measurement depending upon the direction of the cable.

If you do some reading, you’ll quickly find many engineering shops that offer this measurement service. You’ll also find that it’s common to measure from both sides of the cable, then average the different results from each side to get a single basic reference value for Insertion and Return loss.

There’s no argument about this - it’s real, measurable, and there’s a whole industry built around it.

But - can a person hear these directional differences in a 3 foot interconnect? I have no idea and I’m not asserting an opinion about that. Some people claim to be able to hear it; some people say they don’t hear it. That’s fine with me because this is basically the normal state of everything in the world.

All I’m asserting is that cable directionality is in fact measurable as @andy2 wrote, via the Insertion and Return Loss parameters. And if there’s a measurable difference, however small, then it seems reasonable to believe that some people may be able to hear that difference.