So you think wire conductors in cables are directional? Think again...

Wow. Perception is everything...except absolute.

subjective experience are delusions if not correlated with some measures...

I've never claimed this. You've assumed it from your irrational thinking. There are 2 distinct things involved and you keep intertwining them.

1. Sound
This we can measure very accurately. 
2. Human perception of sound
This is extremely plastic and subject to learning, mood, and all other outside influences.

This thread is about 1. Sound and can reversing a basic copper cable change it?

Now, I've grown tired of you constantly putting words in my mouth and ridicule of me with your childish name calling.

Wow. Perception is everything...except absolute

I never said that sound which is not only a physical phenomena but also a psychoacoustic one is "absolute".... I said that sound experience cannot be reduced to measuring tools but only CORRELATED with them...

I also said that sound perception contrary to a voltmeter or a frequencies meter or any other electronical engineering tools is MULTIDIMENSIONAL and not unidimensional like each one of these tool...

Your "wow" is only a derision not an argument .....

This thread is about 1. Sound and can reversing a basic copper cable change it?

There is PHYSICAL sound, this is the phenomenon pertaining to physical acoustic....

There is human perception of sound and perception of other phenomena associated with sound, like pitch or timbre, or information about the source of sound....

Changing the cable direction even if this do not correspond to any measurable physical changing KNOWN factors in the cable itself when using the appropriate electronical tools, COULD anyway be an information about some unknown factor read through the sound by the human body and consciousness... Nobody can reject these POSSIBILITIES....



Negating this possibility because someone believe that all human perception means pure subjective relative meaninglessness compared to an electronic tool is going TOO FAR....

This is my point...

I dont have personal experience with cable inversion but many people and even some engineers vouch for this experience...

I take these testimonies seriously.... I dont want to accuse them of being gullible or ignorant...

I consider ignorant the believer and his brother the skeptic.... They are stalled in the way.... I prefer to keep an open mind without mocking the experience of others...

And reducing psychoacoustic to acoustic cues is a simplification of a complex scientific subject.... a CORRELATION between these 2 fields is the basis not a reductionist approach....Music for example is not reducible to physical acoustic sorry if you dont know that ....

mahgister5,550 posts05-21-2021 8:28pm

Wow. Perception is everything...except absolute

I never said that sound which is not only a physical phenomena but also a psychoacoustic one is "absolute".... I said that sound experience cannot be reduced to measuring tools but only CORRELATED with them...

I also said that sound perception contrary to a voltmeter or a frequencies meter or any other electronical engineering tools is MULTIDIMENSIONAL and not unidimensional like each one of these tool...

Your "wow" is only a derision not an argument .....

You keep straying from and continue to derail the entire discussion. It was brought up that vision is used to figure out where sounds are coming from...eyes. It’s been studied that eyes are not part of the process, yet visual processes in the brain help process the localization of sounds...even without the benefit of having eyes.