So you think wire conductors in cables are directional? Think again...

Djones51, you are going about this all wrong. Things like this used to bother me, but I found it is better to let audiophiles have their cable delusions. The more the better. The more they spend on cables the less money they have to spend on the things that matter to sound. That means less competition for us to purchase those items. The more they spend on things that don’t matter the less we need to spend on that do.


Let them twist science with their rather interesting views, let them insult engineers. It tells much about them and they hurt themselves more than anyone else. They make fun of other websites meanwhile the likes of Toole and Pass, and many actual audio experts will post at those sites, not here. People who have moved the science sound forward are not here are they? I did see Ted Denney started to post here though. See what I mean?

I don’t even know what this means. If you’re claiming music is not reducible to physical soundwaves you’re wrong.

My point is that processing of sound by the brain /body is multidimensional, after an article about visual and hearing pathways used by the brain in the processing of sounds impressions, here is an article about the participation of the motor system in the evaluation of timbre experience...

If you dont know that sound experience CANNOT be reduced to pure physics you know nothing.... Sorry....

If many people testimonies said that cable direction is important PERHAPS something is manifested through the complex multidimensional ways the brain/body evaluated sound and could explain or being related to this experience about wired direction...

Are we obliged to be stubborn? Are we obliged to reduce psychoacoustic science to acoustic only and reduce sound experience to some very unidimensional tools in engineering of cables?


We are not.....

By the way accusing me of derailing this thread is pure bad faith.... I already contributed with few interesting articles and even if wires direction experience could be proved to be only a "placebos" , these articles are interesting and NECESSARY because it seems some dont even understand that music processing experience is NOT reducible to acoustic...

A simple example of that is the " musical time concept " which is a body/brain autonomous time unrelated to the time of the clock, which autonomous time is born from the works qualities to be played in an organic manner.......

No maestro direct and conduct an orchestra with the help of a clock to recreate the musical time related to a specific symphonies.... Time here is a WHOLE without parts.....The metronome indication is a start point for the synchronization of the orchestra not an endpoint...The endpoint of an interpretation is a "time" or a complex duration which is qualitatively differentiated and not quantitatively reducible to the equal division parts of a clock....

All other musical concepts could be described this way transecending pure physical acoustic...It is all psychoacoustic science matter for analysis and experiment like in the article i just submit here...

Science is not a "comic book" matter with 2 opposing gangs : the "objectivist" and the "subjectivists"...

I prefer the less stubborn of these 2 gangs here .... But i dont have opinion myself about the subject of directed wiring, i only had a working brain....And i think that perception is NEVER unidimensional.....

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/322467774_Embodied_listening_and_timbre_Perceptual_acoustical_and_neural_correlates

Here is an article illustrating why music is not reducible to acoustic for those who dont know....





https://maplelab.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Schutz-09-The-Mind-of-the-Listener-Acoustics-Perception-and-the-Musical-Experience.pdf

And i will add that perceived sound by humans are not "in the cable " but are created by the brain body.... And these qualities are not necessarily only illusions or placebos, they can be for sure, but they can be indication of other phenomena also...

Then what is perceived in sound experience cannot always be measured with simple electronic tools...

And there exist also the possibility for some qualities of the cable not measured yet by our actual tools to give rise in some conditions for educated listeners ( the right audiophile bias) to this percieved difference between directions...

I dont know....And none of the "objectivist" here knows the final answer either with absolute confidence.... They only claim what they claims with what they know in physics.... Those who vouch for this difference describe their listening experience...Who is right is an open question....

Some perhaps make money with "cables" marketing but it is not a reason to be unscientific here with this subject....

I am interested by this subject anyway and i dont know the answer...

You see djones51. Look at these last posts. They have nothing to do with the topic. There is not point getting riled with people who claim their position is scientific while illustrating they don’t understand the science.


My friend the cable guy contracted a scientist to do something. Sure he did. That is why there is no report or evidence of this. You can’t argue against that. How do you argue against something completely lacking substance? You can’t argue against stuff that is made up. It’s not even worth it to try.   Their arguments end up nothing but a call to faith.  There is a clear tell between people who know what they are talking about and those that do not.