Horn based loudspeakers why the controversy?


As just another way to build a loudspeaker system why such disputes in forums when horns are mentioned?    They can solve many issues that plague standard designs but with all things have there own.  So why such hate?  As a loudspeaker designer I work with and can appreciate all transducer and loudspeaker types and I understand that we all have different needs budgets experiences tastes biases.  But if you dare suggest horns so many have a problem with that suggestion..why?
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I can easily understand why horns in the tweeter section, say from 9k up is gaining popularity, as dome tweeters just don't capture that upper ambience  producing a  sheen to the delight of the senses.
The only dome tweet I know which can compete witha  tweeter horn is the Seas Exotic T35 rated  a  TRUE 94db. 
But my guess is, ((guessing here as i've not acutally heard either the Seas T35 Exotic nor a  midrange horn, ever, neither) the midrange will be voiced far superior ina  horn mid, vs the Seas T35, So whats the point adding the Seas T35 whena  horn easily beats out the T35???
Why? 
Sensitivity
94db aint too shabby, I'll adnit Buta  horn, , most come in at 97db++\
= Higher sens always beats outa  lower sens,. 
Always.
Sens is everything.
The old probing question
**How does the speaker sound?** 
Is a  mute point.

The new 21st C question we should all be asking 
*whats the sens**
The true sens, not the fudged sens, China fudges all its speakers at least 2 points. = more sales. 
Thing is most of the good sounding horns were made in the 1960;'s american engineering. 
And they are becomming less frequent up for sale
I never thought I would ever consider a horn until I went on a 1 year speaker hunt.  After listening to 30-40 different speakers around the country ( Magico, YG, Vivid, Meridien, SF, Wilson, Eggleston, Stenhiem), I heard an AvantGarde Horn and loved the sound.  I ended up with Viking Acoustic Grande Voix dual horn speakers.  I am super happy with my purchase.  I need to look up the facebook page.
My guess is a the new FR drivers will surpass the old midrange horns. 
Its a guess, But I'm cinfidenta  test will prove the shootout, where the horn will  take a fatal hit.
Why?
Newer technology. Cones always beat out a  mechanism. 
Cones will sound more realistic in the upper bass  vs a  mechanical horn.
Close
But no cigar. 
+ the lower bass region is  a  huge bonus witha  a new high tech FR cone. 
I'll admit,  horns do have a place, in the ultra highs, say 10k+ hzs.
I am using the Magnovox alnico tweeter horn. Real nice. 
Completely annihilated the famous Seas Millennium tweeter.
Domes just can not compete with horns. 
Millennium 87db vs Alnico horn @ 97ish db.
I ended up with Viking Acoustic Grande Voix dual horn speakers.

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Found it
$28k, weight..who knows, I am sure well over 100lbs each speaker.
has dome tweeter
https://www.viking-acoustics.com/grande-voix-1

larryi
2,502 posts
02-21-2019 5:21pm
I've heard dozens of horn systems. Of the complete systems, I like: the Edgarhorn systems I've heard; some of the Volti systems I've heard were okay, but not that great for my taste; Klipschorn and Lascala not my favorites; Altec Voice of the Theater not my favorites; Goto-good, but big and expensive); and a few more that I can't remember who built them.

Back-loaded horn systems include: Beauhorn, Rethm, Charney, and a few others.

Mostly, I've heard custom systems built around Western Electric, International Projector Company, Yoshimura Laboratories, and Jensen --drivers and horns. I've heard systems that use new drivers from G.I.P (Japan) that are replicas of old Western Electric drivers that sound terrific (they ought to, given the prices of these drivers).

My own system is built around a horn-based system from Strumenti Acustici de Precisione (twin 12" Alnico magnet woofers in an Onken cabinet, compression driver and horn midrange (I swapped out what came with the system and replaced the midrange with a Western Electric 713b driver and a 12025 sectoral horn), and a bullet tweeter.  

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THis is a great post, informs us to whats out there and your fair opinions.\
YOur WE horn system sounds fantastic.
I bet it is so accurate, no distortion, just clean pure music. But at that price, few of us could afford.
WOW twin alnico magnet 12 inch woofers, Thats a  ALOTTT of bass.
My room is small, so a  pair of W18's at 87db is really sufficient for my listening needs.
I have a  AMT ribbon/Neo magnet  arriving off a  ebay/china site, $75 a pair, Lets see  how they sound next to my Magnovox Alnico tweeers,