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Electrical circuit "noise"

I suspect a few of you might find this post of interest regarding “noise” in cables and audio gear. I am on the Board of Directors of Verdigris Technologies, if any interested it is an AI company for managing electricity (www.verdigris.co). We got our start by recognizing that anything plugged into an electrical circuit, not only draws power, but also emits a rather unique signature back into the electrical circuit. The challenge is that as multiple electrical appliances are plugged into a single circuit, the signatures are all jumbled together. We developed unique technology that enables us to disaggregate all those jumbled signals to identify exactly which products are plugged into a circuit, and even identify early warning signs of failure, and we have patents regarding this technology. My point in all this is that it is clear that anything plugged into a circuit carries these multiple signatures from whatever is plugged into the circuit into any audio equipment plugged into the same circuit, and it is logical that at some level the garbage noise is is audible. So I think that it matters a lot how electrical power is managed, and that includes the cables used at each step of the audio food chain. Many of us don’t have the ability to have a unique circuit for just our audiophile gear, which is probably the best alternative, and so need to rely on products like regenerators and cables that reject noise to attempt to clean up and eliminate these unwanted garbage signals.
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oldhvymec
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Well Mr Smarty pants Tony... READ what the OP said.. Honest YES, informative, NO.

Like I said I’d work on learning about his own product, and presenting himself as a little more knowledgeable about it.

EX; I sell ice cream, I don’t know what’s in it, but if you set it in the sun today, it will still be there tomorrow. Would you buy my ice cream, for body filler at the local body shop..:-)

or

We sell an all organic product that have several wonderful flavors. We specialize in very simple and time tested recipes. 100% ice cream...  No fillers or non dairy related products added.

Is there a difference? Mr. Tony?
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millercarbon
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Sorry cdnorris, it is clear from your post your company is AI focused on identifying and early warning of equipment failure by analyzing the noise these devices put onto the circuit. It is clear you have nothing to do with any audio products and are simply informing us your companies research has identified clear evidence of exactly what many such as myself have been saying for years.

Maybe because I have been saying it for years I am the one who gets it. An awful lot of us still are living in the dark ages where we thought wire is wire, and as long as the wire is thick enough and the voltage high enough all is well. All most certainly is not well. 

Your research is fascinating. People here are always asking things like can my DAC be on the same circuit as my phono stage or amp? Your AI analysis of AC would seem to be capable of answering that question. 

Have you tried using this to compare things like power cords or conditioners, to see if the effectiveness your AI measures correlates with the sound quality improvement we hear?
oldhvymec
5,101 posts
 
Sorry to disappoint you, but our company does nothing with audio gear, nor with residential applications, so there must have been some other reason for this post...

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Aren’t you the one that posted the information?

At this point I am at a loss.. Then why did you post it?

Analytical on the fly cable data and instrument detection has been around a long long time. Even back to the oldest of analog days..

MC what in this post happened to catch your eye as NEW.

AI? A DMM and a 250.00 used 50kva scope.. There is nothing his software does a GOOD trained Tech wouldn’t pick up with a good scope and a DMM. Just leave the middle man software out of the loop..

You can still gather data and do summations and produce all kinds of usable data like, BIGGER is BETTER and Silver sure sound good with a splash of Tungsten.. :-)

SOAP testing has been around sense the invention of moving parts and oil. Spectro Oil Analysis Program..

I don’t need no PUTER, as my 2.5 year old grandson use to say.. :-)

My Point is Point to Point.. .OK.... No need to get all Digital on me.. Bigger :-)

Regards
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cdnorris OP
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We may run out of air, fuel, food or water, but we should never run out of kindness…seems like that is in very short supply, and that is a prerequisite for me to engage in a positive dialog with anyone, and I have neither the time nor inclination for any other sort of dialog. Perhaps that is my loss, but I wish you the best on whatever quest you are on.
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cdnorris OP
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Millercarbon, thanks for your thoughtful response, and I think you get it and summarized my point quite well. At the present time we are focused on our commercial business, and I fear I am one of the only folks into audio at our company. Unfortunately, we have not had the time to look into cables and related audio issues, and I suspect we will not have the cycles to look into these issues any time soon.
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