Thiel Owners


Guys-

I just scored a sweet pair of CS 2.4SE loudspeakers. Anyone else currently or previously owned this model?
Owners of the CS 2.4 or CS 2.7 are free to chime in as well. Thiel are excellent w/ both tubed or solid-state gear!

Keep me posted & Happy Listening!
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naimfan - Some thoughts on the CS2.2 (where I’ve reinserted the rightful decimal point). The model 2 was a smaller-scale version of the original 3-way model 3 - less expensive for smaller rooms and moods. The model two often benefited from trickle-down tech. The 2.2 got the UltraTweeter developed for our flagship CS5 in the late 80s. Pretty good tweeter. It also got some driver motor technology including custom motor machining and copper coil and pole-piece shunts, new technology at any price at that time. The CS2.2 was Thiel’s first passive radiator which went on into all future floorstanders. On the manufacturing front, the CS2.2 followed the CS5 for which we got our feet wet with all CNC machining and serious Finite Element Analysis of the drivers. It got our first open lattice interior cabinet bracing and first acoustically frameless grille. It’s a very sophisticated product, especially considering its modest $2K class. (In fact many dealers and reviewers told us it would make more market sense at twice its price.)
As often mentioned: "they’re not for rockers", and so forth, due to bass output limitations. I have an update for that. The tweeter handles the load, the midrange does quite well, its low end being crossed over an octave higher than the model 3. By the way, Rob has a good drop-in replacement for the midrange. The woofer is only 8", but it’s built to boogie. The main limit is a hard splat of the passive radiator on bass transients. At least that’s what early reviews (John Atkinson in Stereophile) said and we all acquiesced. I never settled with that idea. I had developed that passive radiator which has only a foam plate and two compliant surrounds that glue directly to the front and back of a lip in the baffle. In other words there is nothing for anything to splat against. Hmmm.As was our practice, Jim was headlong into developing the CS3.6 and didn’t look back at the 2’s bass problem.
No secret that I’ve been working on updating these classic Thiel speakers for the past few years. My explorations led (via a long spiral route) to outboarding the crossovers while eliminating all magnetic elements (such as mounting screws), leaving only the components themselves on a masonite board; and paying closer attention to stray fields, wire routing and dressing and so forth. Guess what? No splat. I can’t overload them short of cringing. I can’t say I know exactly what was causing the problem except something in the crossover feeding the woofer and possibly midrange. I know the problem was there in spades and now it is reliably gone. And by the way, that big, wooly quality of the bass. Gone too. The CS2.2 can’t move as much air as the CS3 models, but it’s no slouch.
So, if you have a chance to get a pair and if you’re interested in making them substantially better in the future, there has been lots of work done toward that end. It’s hard to imagine you being disappointed.
@tomthiel and @jafant  and @jon_5912 :

Thanks all!  I emailed and made what I hope is a reasonable offer - $450 (they're listed for $600).  

Will post back if able to complete purchase.
Tom,

Could the splatt heard be caused from turbulence inside the cabinet generated from crossover placement or the mounted components. The air flow would be disrupted by the mounting arrangement of the components on the board. The turbulence would change with an increase in excursion. Internally I have much sonic success with hard coupling the board to the speaker bottom and able to tune the board externally with a brass hex head assembly..1/8 of a turn can make some good magic.  When the board is mounted outside there wouldnt be the turbulence but there is always a benefit in mechanically grounding the board to the higher mass of the floor. Resonant energy will go that way if given the right material and geometry. Tom
Tom - your hypothesis is of interest. One observation is that all Thiel speakers mount their XOs to the bottom or back near the bottom with lots of fiberglass between the XO and the drivers / moving air. Plus the sound is hard, like a driver bottoming. When I put the redeveloped XO inside the cabinet, mounted on nylon studs and rubber feet, the problem had vanished. My best guess is some sort of electromagnetic saturation and/or possibly the bottom end of the midrange bottoming out. (But I didn't change the midrange driver, only some specifics of the crossovers.)
As I've mentioned before, getting the XO out of the cabinet does worlds of good. My in-cabinet solution is different from yours - I am suspending each of the 3 small crossover boards in free air, rather than clamping it the the wall where it must absorb the cabinet wall vibration.