FULL RANGE vs. SUBWOOFER+NO FULL RANGE


Hi all, I'd like to know what is better for symphonic music with a budget of $2500 for the speakers: full range speakers or speakers + separate subwoofer, or speakers with build in powered subwoofers. can I get high-end sound with any of this configurations within my speaker budget? which combinations would you recommend me in this budget for my musical tastes? your help on this matter will be greatly appreciated! Thanks.
jair2fdc
You can make it work either way but its easier with a sub or subs (especially subs).

In most rooms you run into a problem with standing waves if the room has regular dimensions. This can cause a loss of bass at the listening chair- or maybe (less common) too much bass.


If you have speakers that go to 20Hz and you place them in the ideal spot for imagining and depth this is a very likely problem. I've run into it many times!


The big problem with subs is getting them to blend but if you make sure the sub is operating only below 80Hz it will be a cinch. If its operating over that frequency you may have to place it in the same vicinity as your main speakers; if it only operates below 80Hz it won't attract attention to itself and you can place it where its audible at the listening chair. The thing is that with one sub that placement might not be very convenient. And you could still have problems with standing waves.

An easier approach is to use multiple subs set up as a Distributed Bass Array (DBA). The idea is that since bass is omnidirectional below 80Hz, you can then feed them all the same signal and place them asymmetrically in the room, thus breaking up standing waves and getting evenly distributed bass.  The advantage of this approach is that the main speakers no longer have to go down so deep. As long as they get to 50-60 Hz they harmonics of the bass notes will convince you that the note are coming from in front of you even though the fundamentals are coming from the side or even the rear of the room.


Audiokinesis has worked out an effective sub system called the Swarm which is compact, easy to set up and goes right flat to 20Hz.


This opens up the choice of speakers since there are many smaller highly resolved speakers that can handle 50Hz and above quite well- the only issue might be that the speaker behave well if it gets bass notes below its cutoff.
I also have a small (11’ x 12’) listening space and replaced large floorstanders (Vandersteen 2CE) with standmount monitors (Kef LS50) and a small sub (Rel T/5i). This allowed me to place the monitors for best imaging and the sub for best bass. Loved the Vandies but they just didn’t work well in a small room.
This allowed me to place the monitors for best imaging and the sub for best bass. Loved the Vandies but they just didn’t work well in a small room.


I could never live witha  sub bass, grate my nerves,
I need ~~Musical bass~~, huge difference, 
Subs are wonderful for HT/Star Wars movie effects,

Yeah a  speaker with  low distortion + a  big soundstage will cause listening fatige for sure, Guaranted 100%.
You say  *my beloved Vandersteens** but you also say I *can't stand listening fatigue*.
No one can. 
Which is why we search, and search, experiment, test, research, til we find what we were always looking for.
I'm near the end of my rainbow,.
But back to the OP< 
when jair says 
Full Range.
are we to take that as a  3 way speaker, bass/midrange/tweeter or FR as in high sens point source??
See we need to define *full range* . 
The older point source, Fostex, Lowther were really NOT true *Full Range* as some bass authority was missing along with some high roll off.
I will not know  the ture potential of the newer point source drivers , until I get one in my system, Late September looks like. 
My speaker quest has less to do with high fq's @ 12k-15k hz, as well as sub bass fq's , say 20hz-50hz. 
I have both areas already covered.
My only concern now in speaker choice, is 
midrange with true SHF.
.SHF = lowest distortion, near zero, = presence/soundtstage as reall as its going to get.
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This SHF  in the midrange has been around since 1929. 
But then came along the commercialzied speakers with big inefficient magnets and power sucking distortion xovers. 
We need to get back to 1929 technology.  + Field Coil technology, A design far ahead of its time. Yet somehow fell through the cracks. 
Seas/Scanspeak went down the wrong speaker path. 
Both will not survive , unless they jump on board. I am afraid its too late, there are 3 labs which have a  good solid foyndation and thus Seas /Scan will never catch up. 
Both will go the way of the dinasaur. 
You know new is not  always better.